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> I have asked that people consider that I deserve neither total condemnation nor total exoneration. This. In a lot of circles I move there is a tendency to "

by worik 5y ago

> I have asked that people consider that I deserve neither total condemnation nor total exoneration. This. In a lot of circles I move there is a tendency to "total condemnation". We can be better to each other. When we do not deserve it is when we need it the most. Peace, love, respect foster peace, love and respect. "Total condemnation" might make the condemner have some temporary good feelings, but does no good for anybody beyond that.

whatshisface 5y ago
>I have asked that people consider that I deserve neither total condemnation nor total exoneration. The basic irony of the intellectual community responding to the symptoms of bipolar disorder by carrying out the behavior that is the most characteristic feature of bipolar disorder can't be lost on anyone.
kempbellt 5y ago
> This. In a lot of circles I move there is a tendency to "total condemnation". Which, ironically feels more like a bipolar approach to resolving a problem. Are they good, or are they bad? Is it legal, or is it illegal? Are they right, or are they wrong? Do we punish, or do we praise? There seems to be this strange generalized assumption that people are bipolar, and they are the problem. Completely ignoring the fact that society itself demonstrates some seriously bipolar tendencies. Many times, suggesting "either/or" solutions to problems that would really benefit from more nuance. Sometimes the best answer is: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- KittenInABox 5y ago
  I don't think this is an accurate depiction of bipolar. This is more accurate to the term "splitting" or black/white thinking which is more common in personality disorders.
  - ditonal 5y ago
    Yes, unfortunately the vernacular usage of the word bipolar, and actual bipolar disorder, are significantly different. The vernacular usage of 'bipolar' implies sudden mood swings and black/white thinking, whereas bipolar disorder implies episodes of mania or depression that typically last weeks to months. It also doesn't help that people consistently confuse bipolar disorder with BPD because the acronym could work for either.
- afarrell 5y ago
  Nuance requires more attention and brainspace than most people have for someone they are only tangentially aware of like a NYT author. Such casual thought only leaves room for binary yes-or-no questions. Is Freddie DeBoer still worthy of condemnation? As an uninvolved party, I think the wisest answer for me to give is: Meh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
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unreal37 5y ago
Also, "To those of you who are not people I harmed in my psychotic episode in August 2017… what is it you think I owe you?" There seems to be this tendency that people who only learned about something 5 minutes ago get outrage and demand retribution. Like it's a reflex. The mob has vigilante tendencies. Let's go write an email to someone's employer and demand that they fire them. Millions of people band together and demand justice. For what?
- watwut 5y ago
  The original victim seems to be pissed on author for making himself victim now and for not going away from his life as he promised. Some of the angry people have been there whole time and are actually the ones having to deal with it.
  - pdonis 5y ago
    > The original victim seems to be pissed He does? I'm not seeing that in any of the posts by Malcolm Harris that have been referenced in this thread.
    - watwut 5y ago
      https://mobile.twitter.com/BigMeanInternet/status/1372530096406474760 https://mobile.twitter.com/BigMeanInternet/status/1372530096... Retweeted recently
  - zepto 5y ago
    Is DeBoer ‘making himself the victim’? It looks to me as though he is a victim of a bunch of social vigilantes who have nothing to do with the original situation. The ‘original victim’ would be better off if these vigilantes weren’t involving themselves in the situation.
    - watwut 5y ago
      https://mobile.twitter.com/BigMeanInternet/status/1372530096406474760 https://mobile.twitter.com/BigMeanInternet/status/1372530096... This is what "original victim" retweeted again, like yesterday. > who have nothing to do with the original situation. Speaking about lies, you made that up. It is assumption based on what you want to be true.
Pensacola 5y ago
People might do good things or bad things, but people aren't good or bad. They're just people. Actions can be good or bad. It's fair to completely condemn the action, not the person. Since you can't get inside someone's head to know their motives, it's dishonest - or at best deluded - to totally condemn anyone. You can't fix a css problem by debugging the server code.

by worik 5y ago

whatshisface 5y ago

>I have asked that people consider that I deserve neither total condemnation nor total exoneration. The basic irony of the intellectual community responding to the symptoms of bipolar disorder by carrying out the behavior that is the most characteristic feature of bipolar disorder can't be lost on anyone.

kempbellt 5y ago

> This. In a lot of circles I move there is a tendency to "total condemnation". Which, ironically feels more like a bipolar approach to resolving a problem. Are they good, or are they bad? Is it legal, or is it illegal? Are they right, or are they wrong? Do we punish, or do we praise? There seems to be this strange generalized assumption that people are bipolar, and they are the problem. Completely ignoring the fact that society itself demonstrates some seriously bipolar tendencies. Many times, suggesting "either/or" solutions to problems that would really benefit from more nuance. Sometimes the best answer is: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

KittenInABox 5y ago
I don't think this is an accurate depiction of bipolar. This is more accurate to the term "splitting" or black/white thinking which is more common in personality disorders.
- ditonal 5y ago
  Yes, unfortunately the vernacular usage of the word bipolar, and actual bipolar disorder, are significantly different. The vernacular usage of 'bipolar' implies sudden mood swings and black/white thinking, whereas bipolar disorder implies episodes of mania or depression that typically last weeks to months. It also doesn't help that people consistently confuse bipolar disorder with BPD because the acronym could work for either.
afarrell 5y ago
Nuance requires more attention and brainspace than most people have for someone they are only tangentially aware of like a NYT author. Such casual thought only leaves room for binary yes-or-no questions. Is Freddie DeBoer still worthy of condemnation? As an uninvolved party, I think the wisest answer for me to give is: Meh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

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unreal37 5y ago

Also, "To those of you who are not people I harmed in my psychotic episode in August 2017… what is it you think I owe you?" There seems to be this tendency that people who only learned about something 5 minutes ago get outrage and demand retribution. Like it's a reflex. The mob has vigilante tendencies. Let's go write an email to someone's employer and demand that they fire them. Millions of people band together and demand justice. For what?

watwut 5y ago
The original victim seems to be pissed on author for making himself victim now and for not going away from his life as he promised. Some of the angry people have been there whole time and are actually the ones having to deal with it.
- pdonis 5y ago
  > The original victim seems to be pissed He does? I'm not seeing that in any of the posts by Malcolm Harris that have been referenced in this thread.
  - watwut 5y ago
    https://mobile.twitter.com/BigMeanInternet/status/1372530096406474760 https://mobile.twitter.com/BigMeanInternet/status/1372530096... Retweeted recently
- zepto 5y ago
  Is DeBoer ‘making himself the victim’? It looks to me as though he is a victim of a bunch of social vigilantes who have nothing to do with the original situation. The ‘original victim’ would be better off if these vigilantes weren’t involving themselves in the situation.
  - watwut 5y ago
    https://mobile.twitter.com/BigMeanInternet/status/1372530096406474760 https://mobile.twitter.com/BigMeanInternet/status/1372530096... This is what "original victim" retweeted again, like yesterday. > who have nothing to do with the original situation. Speaking about lies, you made that up. It is assumption based on what you want to be true.

Pensacola 5y ago

People might do good things or bad things, but people aren't good or bad. They're just people. Actions can be good or bad. It's fair to completely condemn the action, not the person. Since you can't get inside someone's head to know their motives, it's dishonest - or at best deluded - to totally condemn anyone. You can't fix a css problem by debugging the server code.