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> We aren’t even through the current scientist caused pandemic yet I'm astonished there are people that think like this on HN

Aaronstotle 5y ago
Seems significantly more likely than not this current pandemic originated via a lab leak. Although the comment makes it sound like it was on purpose, rather than an accident which again seems most likely.
- jjulius 5y ago
  Sorta. To your point, it hasn't been proven that it's a lab leak, though evidence has shifted toward that direction. My issue with OP's comment is that he stated it was a lab leak with absolute certainty.
jimbob45 5y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29269142 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29269142 Over in the other thread, we're discussing Kasparov admitting that China definitely covered up evidence from their Wuhan lab regardless of whether or not they were actually responsible for a leak.
- jjulius 5y ago
  Couple of things to clarify here: - In that article, Kasparov only says that the Trump administration said that, and then he discusses the discourse around that claim in 2020. He does not "[admit] that China definitely covered up evidence from their Wuhan lab" or anything like that. EDIT: I stand corrected on this point. - Nobody in that thread has actually yet mentioned that COVID claim (at the time of my comment), they're all sticking to what Kasparov's piece is about, which is mob mentality and group think.
  - jimbob45 5y ago
    >Invaluable months were lost, time the Chinese Communist Party used to destroy data and spread disinformation about the virus’s origins. We may never know the truth, but we do know there was a coverup. Maybe we're just interpreting the above statement in two different ways.
    - jjulius 5y ago
      I stand corrected on that point and will edit my post accordingly, but there's still absolutely zero discussion about that point in that thread. You even said, "we're discussing" but you haven't even commented there yourself.
clavalle 5y ago
It's unfortunate that all of this got politicized, but the fact is that nobody knows for sure where it came from nor does anyone know for sure where it didn't come from. I would say it's not a waste of time to review what labs are doing all over the world since the stakes are so high.
- kupiakos 5y ago
  Everything in modern society is scientist-caused if you go deep enough.
  - clavalle 5y ago
    Well, until you hit the philosopher layer.
hh3k0 5y ago
I'd be d'accord if he said something to the effect of: > We aren’t even through the current possibly scientist-caused pandemic yet Peter Daszak should have to testify before Congress, imo.
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trhway 5y ago
>I'm astonished there are people that think like this on HN you're just probably not aware that Daszak's Wuhan coronavirus gain-of-function program included human testing. It is actually specified in the clear on the EcoAlliance's NIH approved grant for the Wuhan in 2014. In 2018 he tried to double dip by going to DARPA for money for the human specific virus genetic modifications of the type that later were found present in the COVID-19 which supposedly magically "naturally" appeared right near the Wuhan lab (and thousand kilometers away from its natural brethren) in the late 2019. I'm astonished that some people on HN still believe in the "naturality" of the COVID-19.
tomjen3 5y ago
That Covid is caused by a lab leak? China is known for making cheap stuff. High quality products with safety in mind? Not so much. Why should their lab procedures be better?
redis_mlc 5y ago
Are you serious? It's considered more than 50% likely that WIV, a bat corona GoF factory, caused the current pandemic. DOE LLNL reported in May 2020 that it was a possible lab leak.

Aaronstotle 5y ago

Seems significantly more likely than not this current pandemic originated via a lab leak. Although the comment makes it sound like it was on purpose, rather than an accident which again seems most likely.

jjulius 5y ago
Sorta. To your point, it hasn't been proven that it's a lab leak, though evidence has shifted toward that direction. My issue with OP's comment is that he stated it was a lab leak with absolute certainty.

jimbob45 5y ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29269142 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29269142 Over in the other thread, we're discussing Kasparov admitting that China definitely covered up evidence from their Wuhan lab regardless of whether or not they were actually responsible for a leak.

jjulius 5y ago
Couple of things to clarify here: - In that article, Kasparov only says that the Trump administration said that, and then he discusses the discourse around that claim in 2020. He does not "[admit] that China definitely covered up evidence from their Wuhan lab" or anything like that. EDIT: I stand corrected on this point. - Nobody in that thread has actually yet mentioned that COVID claim (at the time of my comment), they're all sticking to what Kasparov's piece is about, which is mob mentality and group think.
- jimbob45 5y ago
  >Invaluable months were lost, time the Chinese Communist Party used to destroy data and spread disinformation about the virus’s origins. We may never know the truth, but we do know there was a coverup. Maybe we're just interpreting the above statement in two different ways.
  - jjulius 5y ago
    I stand corrected on that point and will edit my post accordingly, but there's still absolutely zero discussion about that point in that thread. You even said, "we're discussing" but you haven't even commented there yourself.

clavalle 5y ago

It's unfortunate that all of this got politicized, but the fact is that nobody knows for sure where it came from nor does anyone know for sure where it didn't come from. I would say it's not a waste of time to review what labs are doing all over the world since the stakes are so high.

kupiakos 5y ago
Everything in modern society is scientist-caused if you go deep enough.
- clavalle 5y ago
  Well, until you hit the philosopher layer.

hh3k0 5y ago

I'd be d'accord if he said something to the effect of: > We aren’t even through the current possibly scientist-caused pandemic yet Peter Daszak should have to testify before Congress, imo.

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trhway 5y ago

>I'm astonished there are people that think like this on HN you're just probably not aware that Daszak's Wuhan coronavirus gain-of-function program included human testing. It is actually specified in the clear on the EcoAlliance's NIH approved grant for the Wuhan in 2014. In 2018 he tried to double dip by going to DARPA for money for the human specific virus genetic modifications of the type that later were found present in the COVID-19 which supposedly magically "naturally" appeared right near the Wuhan lab (and thousand kilometers away from its natural brethren) in the late 2019. I'm astonished that some people on HN still believe in the "naturality" of the COVID-19.

tomjen3 5y ago

That Covid is caused by a lab leak? China is known for making cheap stuff. High quality products with safety in mind? Not so much. Why should their lab procedures be better?

redis_mlc 5y ago

Are you serious? It's considered more than 50% likely that WIV, a bat corona GoF factory, caused the current pandemic. DOE LLNL reported in May 2020 that it was a possible lab leak.