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Yep, the combination is highly reflective. I cited another work (by a physics research group) in a comment that modelled and tested this effect comprehensively.

14 5y ago
Would you speculate if anti reflective glass on the outside of the camera and a layer of one way tint on the inside that would allow light through but prevent it from reflective back out? I’m just thinking what we will expect in the future to sell the “undetectable spy camera”.
- frizensami 5y ago
  That's a great question. I'm not totally sure if this is possible. If it was, I think one-way mirrors would use this technology. For now, it seems like they only work because they only let 50% of the light through + there's a brightness differential between both sides. Perhaps someone more informed about this could chime in.
  - mnw21cam 5y ago
    Yeah, there's no magic material that can violate the second law of thermodynamics, because it's the second law of thermodynamics. One-way mirrors are just partial mirrors with less light on one side than the other.
- pishpash 5y ago
  Then they'd have a signature of reflecting less than surrounding. In the long long run, probably more robust to detect the entropy generated by computation in a physical area (i.e. heat) and not the optics.
  - frizensami 5y ago
    Agreed. I expect however that any easily available thermal sensing, especially on smartphones (see FLIR, etc), could be easily defeated with a strong adversary doing good thermal management. As you say though, extra heat is a physical guarantee, so maybe a smarter technique exists to separate signal from noise in the thermal domain that I don't know of yet.
- user-the-name 5y ago
  There's no such thing as a "one way tint". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-way_mirror#Principle_of_operation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-way_mirror#Principle_of_op...
  - nomel 5y ago
    This is a simple implementation of a one way mirror. Metamaterials have a chance at at: https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2014/07/new-nist-metamaterial-gives-light-one-way-ticket https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2014/07/new-nist-metam...

14 5y ago

Would you speculate if anti reflective glass on the outside of the camera and a layer of one way tint on the inside that would allow light through but prevent it from reflective back out? I’m just thinking what we will expect in the future to sell the “undetectable spy camera”.

frizensami 5y ago
That's a great question. I'm not totally sure if this is possible. If it was, I think one-way mirrors would use this technology. For now, it seems like they only work because they only let 50% of the light through + there's a brightness differential between both sides. Perhaps someone more informed about this could chime in.
- mnw21cam 5y ago
  Yeah, there's no magic material that can violate the second law of thermodynamics, because it's the second law of thermodynamics. One-way mirrors are just partial mirrors with less light on one side than the other.
pishpash 5y ago
Then they'd have a signature of reflecting less than surrounding. In the long long run, probably more robust to detect the entropy generated by computation in a physical area (i.e. heat) and not the optics.
- frizensami 5y ago
  Agreed. I expect however that any easily available thermal sensing, especially on smartphones (see FLIR, etc), could be easily defeated with a strong adversary doing good thermal management. As you say though, extra heat is a physical guarantee, so maybe a smarter technique exists to separate signal from noise in the thermal domain that I don't know of yet.
user-the-name 5y ago
There's no such thing as a "one way tint". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-way_mirror#Principle_of_operation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-way_mirror#Principle_of_op...
- nomel 5y ago
  This is a simple implementation of a one way mirror. Metamaterials have a chance at at: https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2014/07/new-nist-metamaterial-gives-light-one-way-ticket https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2014/07/new-nist-metam...