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>...I REALLY hope the LibreOffice transition goes well. If anything that rings alert on my mind is the LO's Calc, which at times decides to become slow and con

>...I REALLY hope the LibreOffice transition goes well. If anything that rings alert on my mind is the LO's Calc, which at times decides to become slow and consume the CPU for no apparent reason. Or equally annoying flacky interoprability betwen LO Writer and MS Office Word (works in general, but loses some alignment, magles styles etc.) As much as I'm for LO and want them to succeed, I feel for the clerks dealing with these counter-productive issues.

olyjohn 5y ago
You say you want them to succeed, but I don't believe you are sincere. This negativity with anecdotal evidence is so annoying. Like the whole world will come to a halt because some document formatting got fucked up. I see this same shit with Excel all the time. It's fucking FULL of bugs that have just been around for so long, people just get used to it and work around it. I mean, if you selected a group of 30 rows in Excel, then use CTRL to deselect one row in the middle... it doesn't deselect it, it "selects" the row again, so now it's just darker than all the other rows. Is this fixed yet? It was a bug in fucking Office 2016 and goes back years. Nobody said it wasn't ready for use! It's such a fucking basic feature. To de-select a single row out of a group that is selected. It's the single most counter-productive thing ever. When I found this bug, I was blown away that nobody ever complained about it! I worked with thousands upon thousands of people with Excel and it was never a problem?! Word doesn't even play nice with it's own files... ever moved a file from Office 2013 to Office 2016? I've seen it garble files a million times. Move a Word doc from Mac to Windows and shit gets hosed sometimes. The clerks will get used to the issues. Just the same way that they got used to the hot fucking garbage that Microsoft charges enterprises and governments substantial amounts of money for, and provides precisely dick for support in return. EDIT: I mean look at this shit! Apparently deselecting is a new concept to Microsoft! https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/deselect-a-selection-d1b56f30-7d63-4a64-8f0b-da4958204b52 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/deselect-a-select... Note: This feature is only available in Excel for Window if you have Office 2019, or if you have a Microsoft 365 subscription. If you are a Microsoft 365 subscriber, make sure you have the latest version of Office.
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- zoomablemind 5y ago
  >... You say you want them to succeed, but I don't believe you are sincere. Not sure what drives your experience, but I've been using LO (Linux based) continuously for the past 10 yrs. Still do. More so, tried to convert other users. I don't believe I'm the only one to stumble on some usability issues with LO. Did I get used to dealing with the issues? Nope. This still annoys me every time, it's also a drag to interoperate with MS Office (no, it's not going away soon in this world). Other users? Well, most of my attempted converts now either pay the subscription or use the GSuite or ... stick to the older version of MS Office. So I myself do want the LO to get better, but for the most of the failed "converts" it's a lost cause for now.
- jodrellblank 5y ago
  > This negativity with anecdotal evidence is so annoying. Isn’t it. > “It's such a fucking basic feature. To de-select a single row out of a group that is selected. It's the single most counter-productive thing ever.” Probably not as counter-productive as throwing away thousands of person-years of learned skill and experience because of some Linux fanaticism. How is “it’s not as good but we can patch it until it’s equivalently buggy, people will get used to it” any compelling reason to change over? How is “but but I hate microsoft” any compelling reason to change over? And the techcommunity.microsoft thread from 2018 announcing deselect has people who used that “multi-click makes a cell darker” feature and are bothered that it’s gone. > “Microsoft charges enterprises and governments substantial amounts of money for, and provides precisely dick for support in return.” You mean like that feature you were crying out for and then found that they built? That kind of nothing? Or like how Office 365 has collaborative editing and LibreOffice has a page saying it’s been in development since 2006 and isn’t ready and linking to an old mailing list post from 2020 talking about deprecating he API they had built for it, as the latest update?
throwawaymanbot 5y ago
I have never experienced this. You are making it sound like it happens to like 99/100 users. So I’m saying your story is BS.

olyjohn 5y ago

You say you want them to succeed, but I don't believe you are sincere. This negativity with anecdotal evidence is so annoying. Like the whole world will come to a halt because some document formatting got fucked up. I see this same shit with Excel all the time. It's fucking FULL of bugs that have just been around for so long, people just get used to it and work around it. I mean, if you selected a group of 30 rows in Excel, then use CTRL to deselect one row in the middle... it doesn't deselect it, it "selects" the row again, so now it's just darker than all the other rows. Is this fixed yet? It was a bug in fucking Office 2016 and goes back years. Nobody said it wasn't ready for use! It's such a fucking basic feature. To de-select a single row out of a group that is selected. It's the single most counter-productive thing ever. When I found this bug, I was blown away that nobody ever complained about it! I worked with thousands upon thousands of people with Excel and it was never a problem?! Word doesn't even play nice with it's own files... ever moved a file from Office 2013 to Office 2016? I've seen it garble files a million times. Move a Word doc from Mac to Windows and shit gets hosed sometimes. The clerks will get used to the issues. Just the same way that they got used to the hot fucking garbage that Microsoft charges enterprises and governments substantial amounts of money for, and provides precisely dick for support in return. EDIT: I mean look at this shit! Apparently deselecting is a new concept to Microsoft! https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/deselect-a-selection-d1b56f30-7d63-4a64-8f0b-da4958204b52 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/deselect-a-select... Note: This feature is only available in Excel for Window if you have Office 2019, or if you have a Microsoft 365 subscription. If you are a Microsoft 365 subscriber, make sure you have the latest version of Office.

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zoomablemind 5y ago
>... You say you want them to succeed, but I don't believe you are sincere. Not sure what drives your experience, but I've been using LO (Linux based) continuously for the past 10 yrs. Still do. More so, tried to convert other users. I don't believe I'm the only one to stumble on some usability issues with LO. Did I get used to dealing with the issues? Nope. This still annoys me every time, it's also a drag to interoperate with MS Office (no, it's not going away soon in this world). Other users? Well, most of my attempted converts now either pay the subscription or use the GSuite or ... stick to the older version of MS Office. So I myself do want the LO to get better, but for the most of the failed "converts" it's a lost cause for now.
jodrellblank 5y ago
> This negativity with anecdotal evidence is so annoying. Isn’t it. > “It's such a fucking basic feature. To de-select a single row out of a group that is selected. It's the single most counter-productive thing ever.” Probably not as counter-productive as throwing away thousands of person-years of learned skill and experience because of some Linux fanaticism. How is “it’s not as good but we can patch it until it’s equivalently buggy, people will get used to it” any compelling reason to change over? How is “but but I hate microsoft” any compelling reason to change over? And the techcommunity.microsoft thread from 2018 announcing deselect has people who used that “multi-click makes a cell darker” feature and are bothered that it’s gone. > “Microsoft charges enterprises and governments substantial amounts of money for, and provides precisely dick for support in return.” You mean like that feature you were crying out for and then found that they built? That kind of nothing? Or like how Office 365 has collaborative editing and LibreOffice has a page saying it’s been in development since 2006 and isn’t ready and linking to an old mailing list post from 2020 talking about deprecating he API they had built for it, as the latest update?

throwawaymanbot 5y ago

I have never experienced this. You are making it sound like it happens to like 99/100 users. So I’m saying your story is BS.