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I couldn't find it anywhere in their data statement, nor in their about page or terms and conditions, where the results were coming from. Finally at the bottom

by lopis 5y ago

I couldn't find it anywhere in their data statement, nor in their about page or terms and conditions, where the results were coming from. Finally at the bottom of the SERP there's the indication that results come from Microsoft (Bing). However, all links to Bing seem to happen in the backend, including linking to images. Would like to know how much data they share with Bing, but so far as it's visible from the client side it looks pretty solid. And they have podcast search, which is cute.

poolie 5y ago
Hi. We list every source in our help-section: https://hilfe.nona.de/features/datenquellen https://hilfe.nona.de/features/datenquellen
dathinab 5y ago
Indexing the web and doing a initial evaluation is hard and costy. Because of this only a few search engines do so, if we exclude Asia the only starch engines I know which do so are Google, bing and Yandex(?). All other defer to one of thos search engines (most times bing) while decoupling, post and pre processing queries to a varying degree.
- RGamma 5y ago
  This situation almost screams for web indexing as a service. Would love to see some search engine innovation, especially advanced curation, classification, archival and filtering(!) abilities.
- machiaweliczny 5y ago
  There is index of most sites to download at https://commoncrawl.org/ https://commoncrawl.org/
- allanrbo 5y ago
  Brave say they have their own index actually, but also sometimes use other providers (maybe for when their own index didn't return enough results?). https://brave.com/brave-search-beta/ https://brave.com/brave-search-beta/
  - dathinab 5y ago
    As far as I know Brave brought some Index startup but doesn't actually use it. Instead they use Bing while pretending to have their own index. Generally I would avoid Brave as the company behind is is quite doggy.
    - lopis 5y ago
      Ironically, Brave bough a German search engine...
    - rsj_hn 5y ago
      Brave search results are quite different from Bing's (they are better) -- where are you getting your info?
- jhgb 5y ago
  Just because it's hard doesn't mean you can't do it. > if we exclude Asia the only starch engines I know which do so are Google, bing and Yandex(?). Asia...and Europe? I'm pretty sure that for example Seznam.cz still has its own indexing (https://blog.seznam.cz/en/history-of-web-search/ https://blog.seznam.cz/en/history-of-web-search/). At the very least there used to be several more indexers as well. A version of one them is even accessible as source code: https://www.ucw.cz/holmes/ https://www.ucw.cz/holmes/
  - jll29 5y ago
    There are more. For example, Syria's Web search engine Shamra has its own index according to its founder Shadi Saleh, whom I have interviewed here: https://irsg.bcs.org/informer/2019/07/syrias-first-web-search-engine-an-interview-with-shadi-saleh-2/ https://irsg.bcs.org/informer/2019/07/syrias-first-web-searc...
- ColinHayhurst 5y ago
  Mojeek and Gigablast. Both do not engage in tracking unlike all others. https://blog.mojeek.com/2021/05/no-tracking-search-how-does-it-work.html https://blog.mojeek.com/2021/05/no-tracking-search-how-does-...

by lopis 5y ago

poolie 5y ago

Hi. We list every source in our help-section: https://hilfe.nona.de/features/datenquellen https://hilfe.nona.de/features/datenquellen

dathinab 5y ago

Indexing the web and doing a initial evaluation is hard and costy. Because of this only a few search engines do so, if we exclude Asia the only starch engines I know which do so are Google, bing and Yandex(?). All other defer to one of thos search engines (most times bing) while decoupling, post and pre processing queries to a varying degree.

RGamma 5y ago
This situation almost screams for web indexing as a service. Would love to see some search engine innovation, especially advanced curation, classification, archival and filtering(!) abilities.
machiaweliczny 5y ago
There is index of most sites to download at https://commoncrawl.org/ https://commoncrawl.org/
allanrbo 5y ago
Brave say they have their own index actually, but also sometimes use other providers (maybe for when their own index didn't return enough results?). https://brave.com/brave-search-beta/ https://brave.com/brave-search-beta/
- dathinab 5y ago
  As far as I know Brave brought some Index startup but doesn't actually use it. Instead they use Bing while pretending to have their own index. Generally I would avoid Brave as the company behind is is quite doggy.
  - lopis 5y ago
    Ironically, Brave bough a German search engine...
  - rsj_hn 5y ago
    Brave search results are quite different from Bing's (they are better) -- where are you getting your info?
jhgb 5y ago
Just because it's hard doesn't mean you can't do it. > if we exclude Asia the only starch engines I know which do so are Google, bing and Yandex(?). Asia...and Europe? I'm pretty sure that for example Seznam.cz still has its own indexing (https://blog.seznam.cz/en/history-of-web-search/ https://blog.seznam.cz/en/history-of-web-search/). At the very least there used to be several more indexers as well. A version of one them is even accessible as source code: https://www.ucw.cz/holmes/ https://www.ucw.cz/holmes/
- jll29 5y ago
  There are more. For example, Syria's Web search engine Shamra has its own index according to its founder Shadi Saleh, whom I have interviewed here: https://irsg.bcs.org/informer/2019/07/syrias-first-web-search-engine-an-interview-with-shadi-saleh-2/ https://irsg.bcs.org/informer/2019/07/syrias-first-web-searc...
ColinHayhurst 5y ago
Mojeek and Gigablast. Both do not engage in tracking unlike all others. https://blog.mojeek.com/2021/05/no-tracking-search-how-does-it-work.html https://blog.mojeek.com/2021/05/no-tracking-search-how-does-...