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I like that they offer an ad-free experience for 2€ a month. I would like more of the internet to offer this type of alternative.

throwaway47292 5y ago
Google makes like 50$ per month from you and Facebook makes 30$ per month (or something in this ballpark), things are way beyond what most people are willing to pay.
- ushakov 5y ago
  they don’t make nearly as much
  - petters 5y ago
    Why do you say that? The revenue of Facebook is public (86B in 2020). Is a lot of it not from users, or is the figure incorrect, or do they have many more users than they say they have?
- theK 5y ago
  30 cent per user per month, maybe. Not 30 usd
  - syberiyxx 5y ago
    Google Ads cost $~4-8 per lead for our company. Google is raking it in.
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  - petters 5y ago
    How do you then explain Facebook's revenue being 86B in 2020?
    - theK 5y ago
      Fair point, I stand corrected:-)
- MildlySerious 5y ago
  The alternative to paying for an ad-free experience is ad-blockers. I very much doubt that they make anywhere near as much from me.
- anticristi 5y ago
  30$/user/year seems to be accurate. Facebook reported 86 billion USD for 2020 [1] and 2.89 billion MAU [2]. When computing the ratio, the geek inside me feels particularly satisfied to reduce billion from the numerator and denominator. :) So 2€/user/month seems priced well. [1] https://investor.fb.com/investor-news/press-release-details/2021/Facebook-Reports-Third-Quarter-2021-Results/default.aspx https://investor.fb.com/investor-news/press-release-details/... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/346167/facebook-global-dau/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/346167/facebook-global-d...
  - throwaway47292 5y ago
    wait wtf why wont they just charge it then ffs i thought its 30 per month and thats why they dont do it, now i am even more upset for all the spying..
    - throwaway47292 5y ago
      oh wait, thats 2.8b mau but most of them are worth nothing, look at west europe and north america, and only subset of them, its like 200 million people that have to pay >>> (89000000000/200000000) / 12 37.083333333333336
    - tiluha 5y ago
      Most people would not even pay a cent
      - throwaway47292 5y ago
        i think the problem is that the people that will pay a cent are the people they are making 40$ per month from, and the rest of the MAUs are probably almost worthless so if they start charging, they will only lose
      - kube-system 5y ago
        I wonder how many users are unbanked and can't even pay a cent.
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- DoingIsLearning 5y ago
  > Google makes like 50$ per month from you On average... Like many people out there I have never clicked on an ad and I definitely never closed a purchase by following an ad link. I never allowed for tighter integration, I avoid other Google services (Gmail, Maps, Youtube) other than Search itself. Users like me are a burden on google's servers. On average if I was charged 20$ a month for anonomised technical search services then I am fairly confident that they would be making more money than if I just ad-block everything like I currently do.
  - samhw 5y ago
    > On average if I was charged 20$ a month for anonomised technical search services then I am fairly confident that they would be making more money than if I just ad-block everything like I currently do. You should check out Gigablast (https://www.gigablast.com/ https://www.gigablast.com/). I came across their site yesterday, as one of a very few search engines who maintain their own index of the internet rather than relying on Google or Bing. It's delightfully antique, and surprisingly good for all but the most arcane searches.
    - DoingIsLearning 5y ago
      Great sugestion, just tried some obscure Electrical Engineering queries and it looks pretty good. Thanks!
alexfringes 5y ago
Interestingly, this approach seems to be gaining more traction in Germany specifically. One of the larger newspapers, Die Zeit, applies it for the free tier of its website. There’s a big annoying modal when you go to zeit.de if you want to see that approach in practice. Hilariously the choice I make in that modal never seems to stick. Maybe there’s a separate GDPR-compliant toggle somewhere to allow them to track that I want to be tracked ha!
- Semaphor 5y ago
  Zeit, Spiegel, Golem… Those are the ones I frequently see, but there are probably more.

throwaway47292 5y ago

Google makes like 50$ per month from you and Facebook makes 30$ per month (or something in this ballpark), things are way beyond what most people are willing to pay.

ushakov 5y ago
they don’t make nearly as much
- petters 5y ago
  Why do you say that? The revenue of Facebook is public (86B in 2020). Is a lot of it not from users, or is the figure incorrect, or do they have many more users than they say they have?
theK 5y ago
30 cent per user per month, maybe. Not 30 usd
- syberiyxx 5y ago
  Google Ads cost $~4-8 per lead for our company. Google is raking it in.
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- petters 5y ago
  How do you then explain Facebook's revenue being 86B in 2020?
  - theK 5y ago
    Fair point, I stand corrected:-)
MildlySerious 5y ago
The alternative to paying for an ad-free experience is ad-blockers. I very much doubt that they make anywhere near as much from me.
anticristi 5y ago
30$/user/year seems to be accurate. Facebook reported 86 billion USD for 2020 [1] and 2.89 billion MAU [2]. When computing the ratio, the geek inside me feels particularly satisfied to reduce billion from the numerator and denominator. :) So 2€/user/month seems priced well. [1] https://investor.fb.com/investor-news/press-release-details/2021/Facebook-Reports-Third-Quarter-2021-Results/default.aspx https://investor.fb.com/investor-news/press-release-details/... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/346167/facebook-global-dau/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/346167/facebook-global-d...
- throwaway47292 5y ago
  wait wtf why wont they just charge it then ffs i thought its 30 per month and thats why they dont do it, now i am even more upset for all the spying..
  - throwaway47292 5y ago
    oh wait, thats 2.8b mau but most of them are worth nothing, look at west europe and north america, and only subset of them, its like 200 million people that have to pay >>> (89000000000/200000000) / 12 37.083333333333336
  - tiluha 5y ago
    Most people would not even pay a cent
    - throwaway47292 5y ago
      i think the problem is that the people that will pay a cent are the people they are making 40$ per month from, and the rest of the MAUs are probably almost worthless so if they start charging, they will only lose
    - kube-system 5y ago
      I wonder how many users are unbanked and can't even pay a cent.
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DoingIsLearning 5y ago
> Google makes like 50$ per month from you On average... Like many people out there I have never clicked on an ad and I definitely never closed a purchase by following an ad link. I never allowed for tighter integration, I avoid other Google services (Gmail, Maps, Youtube) other than Search itself. Users like me are a burden on google's servers. On average if I was charged 20$ a month for anonomised technical search services then I am fairly confident that they would be making more money than if I just ad-block everything like I currently do.
- samhw 5y ago
  > On average if I was charged 20$ a month for anonomised technical search services then I am fairly confident that they would be making more money than if I just ad-block everything like I currently do. You should check out Gigablast (https://www.gigablast.com/ https://www.gigablast.com/). I came across their site yesterday, as one of a very few search engines who maintain their own index of the internet rather than relying on Google or Bing. It's delightfully antique, and surprisingly good for all but the most arcane searches.
  - DoingIsLearning 5y ago
    Great sugestion, just tried some obscure Electrical Engineering queries and it looks pretty good. Thanks!

alexfringes 5y ago

Interestingly, this approach seems to be gaining more traction in Germany specifically. One of the larger newspapers, Die Zeit, applies it for the free tier of its website. There’s a big annoying modal when you go to zeit.de if you want to see that approach in practice. Hilariously the choice I make in that modal never seems to stick. Maybe there’s a separate GDPR-compliant toggle somewhere to allow them to track that I want to be tracked ha!

Semaphor 5y ago
Zeit, Spiegel, Golem… Those are the ones I frequently see, but there are probably more.