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> Sites like Reddit, HN, and Stack Overflow do a much better job with [...], community-appointed moderators [...] Reddit doesn't have community-appointed moder
by klodolph 5y ago
> Sites like Reddit, HN, and Stack Overflow do a much better job with [...], community-appointed moderators [...]
Reddit doesn't have community-appointed moderators. That's just factually not true.
What Reddit has is a bunch of little kingdoms run by whichever moderator happened to stake a claim on it first. Those moderators then add more moderators below them according to their personal whims... usually, they appoint some people who are invested in the community somewhat, but their appointment is completely arbitrary.
Going to call these "top moderators" (who staked out their claim) and "local moderators" (who are involved in the community).
The top moderators are, as far as I can tell, 100% invested in becoming moderators for as many little territories as they can, and amassing as much power as they can. They have absolute authority to add or remove other moderators in their little kingdoms, and they can make whatever decisions they want about removing posts in their territories. By and large, they do not interact with the communities they moderate... they don't care, they just want territory. What do they do with that power? Who knows!
The local moderators are appointed by the top mods, and they may have a limited set of permissions.
I'll just come out and say that Reddit is poorly moderated. That's my opinion. There are a few subreddits which are exceptions to this, but most subreddits are poorly moderated. Active mods spend most of their time just fighting spam posts and troll posts, and doing very little to figure out what moderation policies make sense. That's just the nature of the game. Nobody really wants to do the job of being an active mod, because it sucks, because you're playing a little cat and mouse game with users all the time.
Take, for example, one of the NYC subreddits (either NYC or NewYorkCity, I forget). Most of the posts are created by a single guy who spams a few low-effort memes in a Jordan Peterson subreddit, builds karma and history for their user profile, and then posts every news article about crime to the NYC subreddit. That user eventually gets banned and creates a new account. Seems like that user is on a mission to portray NYC as some crime-ridden shithole. The same user might be posting similar articles to the Seattle subreddit, or something. It makes the local subreddits a bit useless.
There are a plenty of decent subreddits but they tend to be very small and very specialized.
- colinmhayes 5y agoWhen users aren't happy with moderation they go to different subs. I think that's equivalent to community appoint moderation.
- klodolph 5y agoSame is possible with Facebook groups. IMO it is easier to find a well-moderated Facebook group than a well-moderated subreddit. Most people seem to use one or the other, and don’t really have a basis for comparison, though.
- Ajedi32 5y agoSorry, didn't mean to imply that all the sites I referenced employ all of those techniques, just a subset of them. I was mostly thinking of Stack Overflow when I talked about community-appointed moderators, though I think with Reddit you could argue that users do have some limited influence over who their moderators are. If a large enough majority doesn't like the mods of a particular subreddit they can fork the community with a new subreddit and move everyone there. Not an ideal solution I'll admit, but I have seen it work.
- GravitasFailure 5y agoAnother issue Reddit abd Facebook seem to have is that in trying to host a legion of communities under a single umbrella they wind up having to moderate a mishmash of communities that are at best poorly understood by the higher ups (cultural differences and linguistic barriers, chiefly), and at worst are actively hostile to each other or even hostile to the platform itself. It's rather remarkable they even function at all.