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Astrud Gilberto, Neil Young, and Stevie Nicks, are all extraordinary talented people, Gilberto is quite talented, both in delivery and as a composer, but her d

by Aloha 5y ago

Astrud Gilberto, Neil Young, and Stevie Nicks, are all extraordinary talented people, Gilberto is quite talented, both in delivery and as a composer, but her delivery is amazing, and she has songwriting skills, mostly, she had the advantage of being pretty, and a very capable singer, and someone who was novel. Neil Young is a talented songwriter, and a master guitar player, his vocal skills are secondary to his skills as a songwriter, and guitarist. Nicks does have an unconventional voice, but with a phenomenal power to her voice. That's just natural. And Astaire? No one would call him a great singer, but he was one of the best and most talented dancers of his era, the same goes for Gene Kelly, while they were stylistically very different, they were fantastic dancers, their singing abilities were secondary to their abilities as dancers. The key for all of these, if you have a radio face, and a great voice/talent, you're probably not finding commercial success (not in the modern era - thought there are exceptions), if you have an average voice/talent and a really pretty face/body, you might find commercial success. If you have an average voice/talent and an average face, you're more than likely, not going to find success. All four examples you listed had something extraordinary about them. Giberto, Beauty - and an average talet, Young, an extraordinary talent and an average face, Nicks, a unique voice, and an extraordinary face. Astaire, a multi-talent, and a handsome man too.

WalterBright 5y ago
> are all extraordinary talented people They are not talented singers, but they were able to compensate for that. Fred Astaire, handsome? I don't think so. He's short and very thin. But he is very elegant and charming, which more than made up for it. He is very aware of his body language and uses that to maximum advantage. If you passed him on the street, you'd never conclude he was handsome. P.S. I've encountered a few hollywood celebrities off camera. The surprising thing is how ordinary they look without the hair, makeup, lighting, costume, etc. > a phenomenal power to her voice Oh come on. > a unique voice You may not remember her early reviews - "raspy", "unpleasant". I do. Her first album was a complete flop. The only reason Fleetwood Mac took her on was because the band was on the ropes and Buckingham demanded they give his girlfriend a spot. > had something extraordinary about them They all worked their ass off, which you confused with talent. When I eventually got tolerably good at ballroom dancing, people who didn't know me called me "talented". ROFL.
- WalterBright 5y ago
  A singer with a powerful voice is Grace Slick. Compare her singing to Nicks. Nicks knows that doing a cover for White Rabbit would be a bad idea :-) A singer with great range and control would be Whitney Houston. You won't see Nicks covering her songs, either. A singer with natural talent is Karen Carpenter. She had little training, yet became a much loved singer.
  - Aloha 5y ago
    Yes, those people also have or had talent - and as a side note, Karen Carpenter is grossly under appreciated, like hugely so. Her voice is so pure and clear, and I think it's because of the music she sung. She was also a really great drummer, and she considered herself a drummer first, and a singer second.
- Aloha 5y ago
  I am much too young to remember her (Nicks) reviews, her popularity, most of it, was before I was born. But I find it interesting that two of the people you highlighted as having no talent are known for being songwriters as much as performers, or actors as much as dancers. In any case Nicks songwriting talents helped propel the groups success, and her vocal abilities were a pivotal component of their sound, and quite arguably a driver of their success. Incidentally, most great male dancers are shorter, its an aid in becoming great at dance. Both Kelly and Astaire were under 6', 5'7 and 5'9 respectively - yet both were considered handsome men by the standards of their time, in part yes, because of movie magic. And yes, I grew up near Los Angeles, when Angelia Jolie steps out to Starbucks, she while pretty, does not look like a great actress of the screen, she looks like a nice looking woman stepping out for coffee.

by Aloha 5y ago

WalterBright 5y ago

> are all extraordinary talented people They are not talented singers, but they were able to compensate for that. Fred Astaire, handsome? I don't think so. He's short and very thin. But he is very elegant and charming, which more than made up for it. He is very aware of his body language and uses that to maximum advantage. If you passed him on the street, you'd never conclude he was handsome. P.S. I've encountered a few hollywood celebrities off camera. The surprising thing is how ordinary they look without the hair, makeup, lighting, costume, etc. > a phenomenal power to her voice Oh come on. > a unique voice You may not remember her early reviews - "raspy", "unpleasant". I do. Her first album was a complete flop. The only reason Fleetwood Mac took her on was because the band was on the ropes and Buckingham demanded they give his girlfriend a spot. > had something extraordinary about them They all worked their ass off, which you confused with talent. When I eventually got tolerably good at ballroom dancing, people who didn't know me called me "talented". ROFL.

WalterBright 5y ago
A singer with a powerful voice is Grace Slick. Compare her singing to Nicks. Nicks knows that doing a cover for White Rabbit would be a bad idea :-) A singer with great range and control would be Whitney Houston. You won't see Nicks covering her songs, either. A singer with natural talent is Karen Carpenter. She had little training, yet became a much loved singer.
- Aloha 5y ago
  Yes, those people also have or had talent - and as a side note, Karen Carpenter is grossly under appreciated, like hugely so. Her voice is so pure and clear, and I think it's because of the music she sung. She was also a really great drummer, and she considered herself a drummer first, and a singer second.
Aloha 5y ago
I am much too young to remember her (Nicks) reviews, her popularity, most of it, was before I was born. But I find it interesting that two of the people you highlighted as having no talent are known for being songwriters as much as performers, or actors as much as dancers. In any case Nicks songwriting talents helped propel the groups success, and her vocal abilities were a pivotal component of their sound, and quite arguably a driver of their success. Incidentally, most great male dancers are shorter, its an aid in becoming great at dance. Both Kelly and Astaire were under 6', 5'7 and 5'9 respectively - yet both were considered handsome men by the standards of their time, in part yes, because of movie magic. And yes, I grew up near Los Angeles, when Angelia Jolie steps out to Starbucks, she while pretty, does not look like a great actress of the screen, she looks like a nice looking woman stepping out for coffee.