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What do you mean, inflexibility? The regex is right there for a server admin to edit or disable, that's as flexible as it gets hah..

wraptile 5y ago
That means you have to build from source which kinda goes against the spirit of a decentralized network.
- nightpool 5y ago
  Updating the source code of your software goes agains the spirit of a decentralized network? How? The whole point of decentralized networks is that people with different source code/implementations can communicate with each other.
  - andrewzah 5y ago
    Because it reduces the operators of said networks to people who know how to build rust/etc projects from source. That is limiting and off putting.
    - rndmind 5y ago
      That's true, compiling rust is harsh, but we're are talking about server admins and sysadmins here, I have faith that sysadmins will know how to compile and deploy rust. TIL the Lemmy Server code is written in rust, hell yeah
    - all2 5y ago
      Sounds like a business opportunity. Federated software vendor: we do the dirty work so you can start a new instance with one click.
      - andrewzah 5y ago
        There are services like that for Mastodon [0]. But a provider that lets you host from a choice of e.g. mastodon, pleroma, lemmy etc would be interesting. [0]: https://masto.host/ https://masto.host/
        coldacid 5y ago
        Masto.host is run by one of those people who put inflexible ideology ahead of the wants and needs of their users. That is ever a concern when having a third party set up and manage everything for you.
        harpersealtako 5y ago
        masto.host has a great deal of restrictive, somewhat arbitrary content moderation policies for what is basically just a server host[0]. Since that the original problem is that admins may want to override built-in censorship policies to suit their instance's needs and values, I don't think an even more censorious centralized authority is a great example of a solution. [0]: https://masto.host/tos/ https://masto.host/tos/
        andrewzah 5y ago
        I have no affiliation, nor a recommendation. Just noticed that they do provide that service. Using any hosting provider is ultimately a risk compared to hosting yourself, that's the price you pay for not having the know-how to host it yourself. And even if you do selfhost, cloudflare may wake up one day and say "nah".
      - tedunangst 5y ago
        Does that one click also edit the source code?
        all2 5y ago
        I suppose users could apply patches and alter configurations? Caveat Emptor: we do not offer customer support for altered source/configs.
    - nightpool 5y ago
      Yes. That's what the word "operator" means. You need to operate the software that the network depends on, or trust someone who does. You see this a lot of time in the Bitcoin/cryptocurrency community as well, where node operators complain about the changes "forced onto them" by developers. Ultimately, it's a labor problem—if someone else is writing your code for you, and you don't know how to modify it, you're at the mercy of their decisions.
    - BeFlatXIII 5y ago
      Do you want your sysadmin to be someone who provably can't build from source?

wraptile 5y ago

That means you have to build from source which kinda goes against the spirit of a decentralized network.

nightpool 5y ago
Updating the source code of your software goes agains the spirit of a decentralized network? How? The whole point of decentralized networks is that people with different source code/implementations can communicate with each other.
- andrewzah 5y ago
  Because it reduces the operators of said networks to people who know how to build rust/etc projects from source. That is limiting and off putting.
  - rndmind 5y ago
    That's true, compiling rust is harsh, but we're are talking about server admins and sysadmins here, I have faith that sysadmins will know how to compile and deploy rust. TIL the Lemmy Server code is written in rust, hell yeah
  - all2 5y ago
    Sounds like a business opportunity. Federated software vendor: we do the dirty work so you can start a new instance with one click.
    - andrewzah 5y ago
      There are services like that for Mastodon [0]. But a provider that lets you host from a choice of e.g. mastodon, pleroma, lemmy etc would be interesting. [0]: https://masto.host/ https://masto.host/
      - coldacid 5y ago
        Masto.host is run by one of those people who put inflexible ideology ahead of the wants and needs of their users. That is ever a concern when having a third party set up and manage everything for you.
      - harpersealtako 5y ago
        masto.host has a great deal of restrictive, somewhat arbitrary content moderation policies for what is basically just a server host[0]. Since that the original problem is that admins may want to override built-in censorship policies to suit their instance's needs and values, I don't think an even more censorious centralized authority is a great example of a solution. [0]: https://masto.host/tos/ https://masto.host/tos/
        andrewzah 5y ago
        I have no affiliation, nor a recommendation. Just noticed that they do provide that service. Using any hosting provider is ultimately a risk compared to hosting yourself, that's the price you pay for not having the know-how to host it yourself. And even if you do selfhost, cloudflare may wake up one day and say "nah".
    - tedunangst 5y ago
      Does that one click also edit the source code?
      - all2 5y ago
        I suppose users could apply patches and alter configurations? Caveat Emptor: we do not offer customer support for altered source/configs.
  - nightpool 5y ago
    Yes. That's what the word "operator" means. You need to operate the software that the network depends on, or trust someone who does. You see this a lot of time in the Bitcoin/cryptocurrency community as well, where node operators complain about the changes "forced onto them" by developers. Ultimately, it's a labor problem—if someone else is writing your code for you, and you don't know how to modify it, you're at the mercy of their decisions.
  - BeFlatXIII 5y ago
    Do you want your sysadmin to be someone who provably can't build from source?