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"You do not extend tolerance to those who would deny your humanity." And this is how fascism starts

• beaconstudios 5y ago
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  • defaultprimate 5y ago
    Saving the Germans from genocide and exploitation by the Jews is exactly the justification Hitler used
    • beaconstudios 5y ago
      except that Jewish Germans weren't calling for the genocide of Christian Germans. The premise was a lie, constructed to scapegoat the Jewish population for the Germans losing the Great War [1]. Banning people from calling for genocide doesn't apply to governments committing genocide to back up a lie. That's a pretty obvious distinction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stab-in-the-back_myth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stab-in-the-back_myth
      • defaultprimate 5y ago
        You made my argument for me. When those in power use the justification above and the justification is not based on reality, it has disastrous consequences. It's not a valid justification, and authoritarians don't care about objective reality or rationality.
        • beaconstudios 5y ago
          when authoritarians get into power they can do whatever the hell they want. That's why the point is to stop that happening in the first place. Hitler turned himself into a dictator pretty much immediately after (possibly staging) the Reichstag fire and declaring a state of emergency. The whole point is to stop people like him getting in in the first place, and you don't do that by making calls to genocide viable.
          • defaultprimate 5y ago
            Hitler was elected based on the premise that he would save the German people from destruction, the exact justification you excuse, not simply because he hated Jews.
            • beaconstudios 5y ago
              and making it illegal for parties to call for genocide would've helped his campaign, how? It doesn't necessarily harm his campaign as he could/did just dogwhistle instead, but it certainly wouldn't help it. FWIW Hitler wasn't the example I was thinking of when using that example. He didn't AFAIK explicitly call for genocide but he did dehumanise Jewish people with propaganda.
              • defaultprimate 5y ago
                Uh it would have been a good legal basis to seize property from and criminalize the Jews since it was "easy to prove" that's what they were doing. You know... Exactly what actually happened.
                • beaconstudios 5y ago
                  > making it illegal for parties to call for genocide would've helped his campaign, how? I don't know if you're arguing in bad faith or just not responding to what I'm writing, but this is pretty clearly a waste of time.
• tremon 5y ago
  I would argue that fascism already started with those who would deny others humanity, regardless of whether they're shown tolerance.
• ttfkam 5y ago
  Would Jim Crow have been avoided by Black folks tolerating white folks more? Was the Trail of Tears due to insufficient tolerance by the Cherokee and Seminole? Or should the intolerance of those who denied their humanity have been resisted and not tolerated? There is no "both sides" here. At no time have white folks in the US been into camps or slaughtered with sanction of the state by people of color.