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Would be nice to have a german software culture. But all we got is politicians who wish for that and then turn a blind eye on fraudsters like WireCard. Somethin

Would be nice to have a german software culture. But all we got is politicians who wish for that and then turn a blind eye on fraudsters like WireCard. Something is missing from the german cultural dna, that our neighbours have.(Swiss,Luxemburg, Belgians, Chechen Republic, Poland, Litauen). Seems the most important thing to be big in software in europe, is to foremost be not german ;)

kall 5y ago
Feels like a good chunk of OSS development is happening in germany. By some accounts, the entirety of linux is being ruined by one german. The biggest software companies like SAP are maybe not shining examples, but when you go lower, there‘s a lot of good stuff. What differences do you see to the other European countries? Who‘s big in those countries?
- __m 5y ago
  I'm not familiar with linux development, what did that one german do?
  - kall 5y ago
    Lennart Poettering created systemd, which is a rewrite of many different things in linux that where seperate before. Some people don‘t like it.
bserge 5y ago
Nonsense. Germans are bad at creating new things but excellent at improving anything to its highest potential. Kinda doubting the Chechen software industry, though.
periheli0n 5y ago
Things will hopefully change now that the political tide has turned. Digitally, the old government was essentially stuck to the status quo of 2005, when they took over. In my view the weak digital culture in Germany is a direct consequence of political non-engagement with the matter during the last 15 years. Many areas are affected, first governance itself (fax machines!!), in education (universities and schools "discovered" digital tools mostly in March 2020, when they were forced to), business and trade (card payment still not being ubiquitous, let alone contactless; Some trivial contracts still require ink signatures and paper being mailed around etc). Other European countries are a lot more progressive, e.g. the UK.
- OneTimePetes 5y ago
  Latvia comes to mind.I think, germans aging population plays into this conservative mindset. Now add the manufacturing culture, wanting to add a physical object/machinery to every piece of software and you can start to see the brakes.
- jaclaz 5y ago
  >(fax machines!!) Maybe not the best example, fax machines usually work. E-mails - for a number of reasons - may not.
jaclaz 5y ago
Well, specifically about "office like" software there is Softmaker (that is Germany based) that offers a (Commercial) suite that is (IMHO) a good, low cost, alternative. They also offer (or offered?) a free version for personal use, I have on one PC at home a few years old version and it was not shabby at all, IMHO faster than Open/Libre Office. https://www.softmaker.de/softmaker-office https://www.softmaker.de/softmaker-office

kall 5y ago

Feels like a good chunk of OSS development is happening in germany. By some accounts, the entirety of linux is being ruined by one german. The biggest software companies like SAP are maybe not shining examples, but when you go lower, there‘s a lot of good stuff. What differences do you see to the other European countries? Who‘s big in those countries?

__m 5y ago
I'm not familiar with linux development, what did that one german do?
- kall 5y ago
  Lennart Poettering created systemd, which is a rewrite of many different things in linux that where seperate before. Some people don‘t like it.

bserge 5y ago

Nonsense. Germans are bad at creating new things but excellent at improving anything to its highest potential. Kinda doubting the Chechen software industry, though.

periheli0n 5y ago

Things will hopefully change now that the political tide has turned. Digitally, the old government was essentially stuck to the status quo of 2005, when they took over. In my view the weak digital culture in Germany is a direct consequence of political non-engagement with the matter during the last 15 years. Many areas are affected, first governance itself (fax machines!!), in education (universities and schools "discovered" digital tools mostly in March 2020, when they were forced to), business and trade (card payment still not being ubiquitous, let alone contactless; Some trivial contracts still require ink signatures and paper being mailed around etc). Other European countries are a lot more progressive, e.g. the UK.

OneTimePetes 5y ago
Latvia comes to mind.I think, germans aging population plays into this conservative mindset. Now add the manufacturing culture, wanting to add a physical object/machinery to every piece of software and you can start to see the brakes.
jaclaz 5y ago
>(fax machines!!) Maybe not the best example, fax machines usually work. E-mails - for a number of reasons - may not.

jaclaz 5y ago

Well, specifically about "office like" software there is Softmaker (that is Germany based) that offers a (Commercial) suite that is (IMHO) a good, low cost, alternative. They also offer (or offered?) a free version for personal use, I have on one PC at home a few years old version and it was not shabby at all, IMHO faster than Open/Libre Office. https://www.softmaker.de/softmaker-office https://www.softmaker.de/softmaker-office