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Matrix is working in a real federated environment between hundreds of servers

Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
... between server instances provided by a single dominant vendor, whose idea of federation is for everyone to update to the latest version of the spec or fall behind [1]. I can see zero problems with this decisive approach. /s [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19421978 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19421978
- gefhfff 5y ago
  > between server instances provided by a single dominant vendor No, any server instances provided by any vendor > by a single dominant vendor, whose idea of federation is for everyone to update to the latest version of the spec or fall behind [1]. Server instance provider is not the same as software provider. Of course, you fall behind if you don't update. Time progresses, so does software.
  - Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
    > Of course, you fall behind if you don't update In proper federated networks (email, xmpp), you don't.
    - gefhfff 5y ago
      Define proper :D What I value with Matrix is progress
      - Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
        What you perceive as progress is just a sign of immaturity of an ecosystem. One player will ALWAYS move faster because he doesn't have to check with other participants, single-handedly self-defining specs and implementing them in own software. But reliance on this model will never allow another participants to enter, and it will always be a one-vendor vehicle. Proper federated networks are ones that are already past this initial phase of fast progress and where participants have learned to work with each other.
        gefhfff 5y ago
        Having progress (and thus the possibility of falling behind) doesn't say anything about the speed of progress. > and it will always be a one-vendor vehicle. You are clearly not speaking of Matrix: e.g. Element, Beeper, Dataport How no progress ends up, can be observed with email and xmpp > Proper federated networks are ones that are already past this initial phase of fast progress That's made up by you. I claim proper federated networks are ones where you can fall behind

... between server instances provided by a single dominant vendor, whose idea of federation is for everyone to update to the latest version of the spec or fall behind [1]. I can see zero problems with this decisive approach. /s [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19421978 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19421978

gefhfff 5y ago
> between server instances provided by a single dominant vendor No, any server instances provided by any vendor > by a single dominant vendor, whose idea of federation is for everyone to update to the latest version of the spec or fall behind [1]. Server instance provider is not the same as software provider. Of course, you fall behind if you don't update. Time progresses, so does software.
- Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
  > Of course, you fall behind if you don't update In proper federated networks (email, xmpp), you don't.
  - gefhfff 5y ago
    Define proper :D What I value with Matrix is progress
    - Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
      What you perceive as progress is just a sign of immaturity of an ecosystem. One player will ALWAYS move faster because he doesn't have to check with other participants, single-handedly self-defining specs and implementing them in own software. But reliance on this model will never allow another participants to enter, and it will always be a one-vendor vehicle. Proper federated networks are ones that are already past this initial phase of fast progress and where participants have learned to work with each other.
      - gefhfff 5y ago
        Having progress (and thus the possibility of falling behind) doesn't say anything about the speed of progress. > and it will always be a one-vendor vehicle. You are clearly not speaking of Matrix: e.g. Element, Beeper, Dataport How no progress ends up, can be observed with email and xmpp > Proper federated networks are ones that are already past this initial phase of fast progress That's made up by you. I claim proper federated networks are ones where you can fall behind