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Let me tell you: no/low-code solutions can be just as hard as if not harder than actual code in some cases. One of the more difficult engineering solutions I ha

Let me tell you: no/low-code solutions can be just as hard as if not harder than actual code in some cases. One of the more difficult engineering solutions I have had to implement in my career was with a tool called Tasktop, which synchronizes different requirements analysis tools like Jira, Jama, GitHub Issues, etc. No actual code is involved (unless you need to add customization scripts), but you definitely want experienced engineers creating these integrations, as there are a great deal of software engineering concepts that need to be understood in order to understand and create successful integrations. So “democratization” of programming is misleading for low/no-code solutions, as non-programmers will quickly find themselves in trouble and eventually hand off the solution to a an actual software engineer.

listless 5y ago
It’s not that low code isn’t hard, it’s that it isn’t code. Which for the life of me I will never understand. But I’ve seen entire businesses run on linked spreadsheets with formulas that would melt your brain. All built by people terrified of “code”.
- xnx 5y ago
  I've never been afraid of code, but have definitely been put off by the steep jump in complexity needed to host the code compared to spreadsheets.
pydry 5y ago
Yeah, my face twitches whenever I see "no-code" solutions erect edifices of loops, conditionals, workflows, formulae, versioning and clever IDEs. I wonder if whoever POs this stuff is just oblivious to just how deep this rabbit hole of turing completeness goes. It's bad enough when ansible does conditionals and loops with YAML. It's 10x worse when somebody thought they'd made the process easier because you have to drag and drop a box. There comes a point when most of these systems should just hand over control to a popular programming language with decent tooling OR a person and they almost always fly right past it.

listless 5y ago

It’s not that low code isn’t hard, it’s that it isn’t code. Which for the life of me I will never understand. But I’ve seen entire businesses run on linked spreadsheets with formulas that would melt your brain. All built by people terrified of “code”.

xnx 5y ago
I've never been afraid of code, but have definitely been put off by the steep jump in complexity needed to host the code compared to spreadsheets.

pydry 5y ago

Yeah, my face twitches whenever I see "no-code" solutions erect edifices of loops, conditionals, workflows, formulae, versioning and clever IDEs. I wonder if whoever POs this stuff is just oblivious to just how deep this rabbit hole of turing completeness goes. It's bad enough when ansible does conditionals and loops with YAML. It's 10x worse when somebody thought they'd made the process easier because you have to drag and drop a box. There comes a point when most of these systems should just hand over control to a popular programming language with decent tooling OR a person and they almost always fly right past it.