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Docusign exists because the mobile os makers decided that the file system must be hidden from the user. In my Mac/pc it would take 30” to open a pdf attachment,

Docusign exists because the mobile os makers decided that the file system must be hidden from the user. In my Mac/pc it would take 30” to open a pdf attachment, sign it and send back the copy. On my phone it’s painful to do the same task. So we did it to ourselves. Don’t complain now, pay up.

davzie 5y ago
My experience on mobile is: Open PDF Attachment > Trigger “Markup” > Sign > Save > Send Back I’m on iOS. It’s done quite nicely to be honest.
- borski 5y ago
  I do this too, but for actual legally-binding docs we always used HelloSign or DocuSign just to be safe, when doing business. It captures more info, provides disclosures, etc.
OJFord 5y ago
On my phone it's painful can do anything so I'm using my desktop anyway. Someone that uses DocuSign is still going to make me 'DocuSign it'.
mig39 5y ago
That's really easy to do on iOS these days. Maybe the last version or two. You can "markup" PDFs and include signatures, etc.
- whatever1 5y ago
  Now the ship has sailed. The files app was introduced I believe in iOS 11. By that time Docusign was already multibillion dollar company with high market share, and the iOS users were not trained to use files anyway. So even if you Can do it yourself, you are receiving a docusign link anyway.
  - djrogers 5y ago
    Don't confuse the ability to scribble on a digital document with an actual 'legal' electronic signature.
    - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
      DocuSign does not give you an eIDAS-compliant certificate, so what makes it any more legal than any scribble I can do myself?
      - whatever1 5y ago
        Lobbying
        ClumsyPilot 5y ago
        Which law or regulation have they lobbied through? Or do you mean some non-government lobbying?
        whatever1 5y ago
        https://projects.propublica.org/represent/lobbying/301030582 https://projects.propublica.org/represent/lobbying/301030582
jonas21 5y ago
DocuSign exists because there are various federal and state laws that regulate electronic signatures. Companies are required to make disclosures, collect affirmative consent, retain records, provide access to them to the person who signed, etc. It's easier for most companies to outsource this to DocuSign than to do it in-house (and as others have mentioned, they're not paying $2 per signature at scale).
- whatever1 5y ago
  A signed document sent from my email address has the same properties.
  - kube-system 5y ago
    Docusign gathers information for the purposes of provenance and compliance beyond what is captured in an email. This is the reason organizations pay for it, despite already having email.
  - Spooky23 5y ago
    So does an “ok” button on a website. The “value add” of docusign is that they provide a workflow and auditable record of the event. Whether it’s worth the $0.25-$10 depends on the risks of dispute/litigation/etc. I had to do something the other day that required a notarized wet signature. That stamp has no magical powers - but it provides evidence from a disinterested party that someone presenting my ID in fact appeared before them and wrote a mark on a page.
  - paxys 5y ago
    Okay how do I capture the IP address of the person who signed the document over email?
    - whatever1 5y ago
      Folks we are in HN. Emails have headers with time stamps and everything.
    - 5y ago
com2kid 5y ago
> pc it would take 30” to open a pdf attachment, sign it and send back the copy. Windows only, comparatively, recently got built in PDF reading support through browsers. Prior to that you either installed acrobat and had Adobe try to shove free antivirus trials onto your machine with every update, or you were in the know and installed foxit. And signing a PDF on a PC? Now day sure, but its been built into MacOS/OS X for ages.
- SavantIdiot 5y ago
  Preview signing isn't a digital signature (meaining an ECDSA signature of the message HMAC with your personal certificate). It is just a digital picture of your signature. Two very different things, but in some cases that is sufficient.

davzie 5y ago

My experience on mobile is: Open PDF Attachment > Trigger “Markup” > Sign > Save > Send Back I’m on iOS. It’s done quite nicely to be honest.

borski 5y ago
I do this too, but for actual legally-binding docs we always used HelloSign or DocuSign just to be safe, when doing business. It captures more info, provides disclosures, etc.

OJFord 5y ago

On my phone it's painful can do anything so I'm using my desktop anyway. Someone that uses DocuSign is still going to make me 'DocuSign it'.

mig39 5y ago

That's really easy to do on iOS these days. Maybe the last version or two. You can "markup" PDFs and include signatures, etc.

whatever1 5y ago
Now the ship has sailed. The files app was introduced I believe in iOS 11. By that time Docusign was already multibillion dollar company with high market share, and the iOS users were not trained to use files anyway. So even if you Can do it yourself, you are receiving a docusign link anyway.
- djrogers 5y ago
  Don't confuse the ability to scribble on a digital document with an actual 'legal' electronic signature.
  - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
    DocuSign does not give you an eIDAS-compliant certificate, so what makes it any more legal than any scribble I can do myself?
    - whatever1 5y ago
      Lobbying
      - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
        Which law or regulation have they lobbied through? Or do you mean some non-government lobbying?
        whatever1 5y ago
        https://projects.propublica.org/represent/lobbying/301030582 https://projects.propublica.org/represent/lobbying/301030582

jonas21 5y ago

DocuSign exists because there are various federal and state laws that regulate electronic signatures. Companies are required to make disclosures, collect affirmative consent, retain records, provide access to them to the person who signed, etc. It's easier for most companies to outsource this to DocuSign than to do it in-house (and as others have mentioned, they're not paying $2 per signature at scale).

whatever1 5y ago
A signed document sent from my email address has the same properties.
- kube-system 5y ago
  Docusign gathers information for the purposes of provenance and compliance beyond what is captured in an email. This is the reason organizations pay for it, despite already having email.
- Spooky23 5y ago
  So does an “ok” button on a website. The “value add” of docusign is that they provide a workflow and auditable record of the event. Whether it’s worth the $0.25-$10 depends on the risks of dispute/litigation/etc. I had to do something the other day that required a notarized wet signature. That stamp has no magical powers - but it provides evidence from a disinterested party that someone presenting my ID in fact appeared before them and wrote a mark on a page.
- paxys 5y ago
  Okay how do I capture the IP address of the person who signed the document over email?
  - whatever1 5y ago
    Folks we are in HN. Emails have headers with time stamps and everything.
  - 5y ago

com2kid 5y ago

> pc it would take 30” to open a pdf attachment, sign it and send back the copy. Windows only, comparatively, recently got built in PDF reading support through browsers. Prior to that you either installed acrobat and had Adobe try to shove free antivirus trials onto your machine with every update, or you were in the know and installed foxit. And signing a PDF on a PC? Now day sure, but its been built into MacOS/OS X for ages.

SavantIdiot 5y ago
Preview signing isn't a digital signature (meaining an ECDSA signature of the message HMAC with your personal certificate). It is just a digital picture of your signature. Two very different things, but in some cases that is sufficient.