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Black person here. I don't think (though I'm not going to say I'm 100% certain) that the word "prejudice" is best here? You (very probably) made a choice to be
by jrm4 5y ago
Black person here. I don't think (though I'm not going to say I'm 100% certain) that the word "prejudice" is best here?
You (very probably) made a choice to be a certain way, here. So, the "judice" part is correct, and people should perhaps be nicer, but this doesn't feel like the right word.
- kaycebasques 5y agoThank you for the feedback. I understand your point. I was going off a dictionary definition along these lines: > preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience But I totally get that prejudice has connotations here that make it inappropriate for me as a white man to use
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- ghostbrainalpha 5y agoAbsurd. Have you heard of "religious prejudice"? That's prejudice and based off of a choice. Racial discrimination does not own the term prejudice.
- lotsofpulp 5y agoI cannot believe I am reading someone claim prejudice is a word that should not be used if you have a certain skin color. Did the judicial system stop dismissing cases with prejudice?
- ianmcgowan 5y agoDid the CIA stop terminating people "with extreme prejudice"?
- KSteffensen 5y agoWhy is it inappropriate for a white man to use the word prejudice? Isn't any sort of negatively biased opinion prejudice, regardless of what it's against be it gender, race, dietary choices, religion or anything else?
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- jrm4 5y agoI was definitely not saying "white people shouldn't use it." What I was saying is a little bit closer to - "Prejudice" connotes "identity" type issues, and I don't think 'veganism' is like that. (Once again -- CONNOTES -- for all the dictionary lovers out there)
- Causality1 5y agoA victim complex is a common response when privileged people realize others find them insufferable.
- s1artibartfast 5y agoA victim complex is a common response when anyone realizes others find them insufferable.
- havkd 5y agoThat’s an interesting argument when we are talking about blacks.
- sprite 5y agoThe word has nothing to do with whether you chose to be that way or not. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/prejudice https://www.dictionary.com/browse/prejudice
- jrm4 5y agoAccording to the dictionary, sure. What makes you think the "dictionary" is the end-all-be-all for how words work?
- MisterTea 5y ago> Black person here. No disrespect but what does being black have to do with the usage of the word prejudice? Because the parent you responded to used it correctly.
- kaycebasques 5y agoThere's a lot of connotations to that word related to racism. I have no problem with the original commenter calling out that it may not be the best word to use.
- MisterTea 5y ago> There's a lot of connotations to that word related to racism. It's use is not exclusive to racism. To exclude other uses is ironically prejudiced.
- jrm4 5y ago"Correctly" is weird, which is precisely why I tried state my point in a very non-conclusive way. Which went over like a lead balloon. :)
- dragonwriter 5y ago“prejudice” has nothing to do with whether the prejudgement is based on an innate feature or a choice.
- JCharante 5y agoIsn't religion a choice? I know plenty of people who have converted and they weren't forced to convert. You can be prejudiced against someone else of a differnet religion.
- jrm4 5y agoNot purely. The meaning of "religion" varies greatly across both time and space, and it would be difficult to argue that it is always (or even often) something like "pure choice." It frequently carries a cultural component such that the law sees fit to treat it like other arguably immutable identity type things, which seems correct to me. Though, it is complicated.
- djrogers 5y ago> The meaning of "religion" varies greatly across both time and space Ok, I was kinda sorta with you until the second time you decided on the ‘flexibility of words’ defense… honestly, if you’d just gone with: “using a charged term like prejudice to describe disagreement (even when distastefully communicated) over lifestyle choices dilutes the word, and minimizes what it means to someone who experiences true prejudice every day” or something like that, I think you’d have gotten your point across without the downvotes and discussion. But maybe that’s not what you meant, and maybe there would still be discussion because what I said ain’t necessarily true - it just sounds hard to argue with.
- jrm4 5y agoYou say that like the downvotes and discussion are a bad thing; I'm under no illusion about how people are going to take it about half the time I bring up race. Last I checked, I can't trade these hacker news points for cash and prizes. :)
- ncmncm 5y agoPlease don't ever stop. We need your voice here.