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This seems really annoying. You can unsubscribe to most things in writing as well in the US. The issue is that it takes only a misclick to subscribe, whereas

This seems really annoying. You can unsubscribe to most things in writing as well in the US. The issue is that it takes only a misclick to subscribe, whereas writing and mailing a letter or getting a napkin and travelling to the company's HQ takes considerably more effort (few companies have humans answer the phone). Seems that Scandinavia needs to change their laws if the goal is to make it easy for the consumer.

ess3 5y ago
I feel like this is missing the point. The point is that it’s illegal to reject a cancellation no matter the medium it was delivered on. So in order to not deal with the overhead and legal trouble of managing napkins that people slip your employees, you’re incentivized to make it as easy as possible
- aeternum 5y ago
  Because it does not solve the problem. Shady online subscription companies can simply put the office somewhere inaccessible and not accept e-mail/calls from customers. The law should outline mediums that companies must accept. IE have a published webpage or e-mail address that allows unsubscribe.
  - edgyquant 5y ago
    I believe the point is that this isn’t acceptable in the Nordic countries
rootusrootus 5y ago
> This seems really annoying. The most annoying part is that in any thread like this the top comment invariably ends up being some smug observation that <insert European country here> is clearly better than the US.
- chrsig 5y ago
  The solution to this is to help the US rise to the occasion, not complain about it on the internet.
  - rootusrootus 5y ago
    Many of us are trying to do exactly that. Can you explain how smugly proclaiming "see how we are better than you!?" furthers the conversation? It is not a constructive comment, it does not offer any meaningful insight to how we might improve the US. It's just divisive.
    - chrsig 5y ago
      Showcasing a better system that the US could emulate is a great way to offer insight into how the US could improve. Interpreting it as "See how we are better than you!?" -- literally no one has said this. Interpreting it like that is just putting insecurity on display. Given the choice of two reactions: - "Geez, that system does sound better than what we've got going on here, we should consider adopting it" and - "I get it, you think you're better than us! stop being so divisive!" ...which do you think would lead to positive change? which do you think is a more fair interpretation of what the OP actually said?
      - rootusrootus 5y ago
        > Interpreting it like that is just putting insecurity on display. Of course, that's exactly it. Responding to every single thread about the US with "I don't understand why the US is this way, we do it better" isn't divisive at all. And anybody who suggests so is insecure. I prefer a constructive discussion. This ain't one.
        ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
        It really is constructive, sharing how others have solved a particular problem. You didn't actually address the point of taking it as a negative being an artifact of insecurity, so let me add a second opinion to the same effect. It would be respectful of you to provide a meaningful (non-sarcastic) response.

ess3 5y ago

I feel like this is missing the point. The point is that it’s illegal to reject a cancellation no matter the medium it was delivered on. So in order to not deal with the overhead and legal trouble of managing napkins that people slip your employees, you’re incentivized to make it as easy as possible

aeternum 5y ago
Because it does not solve the problem. Shady online subscription companies can simply put the office somewhere inaccessible and not accept e-mail/calls from customers. The law should outline mediums that companies must accept. IE have a published webpage or e-mail address that allows unsubscribe.
- edgyquant 5y ago
  I believe the point is that this isn’t acceptable in the Nordic countries

rootusrootus 5y ago

> This seems really annoying. The most annoying part is that in any thread like this the top comment invariably ends up being some smug observation that <insert European country here> is clearly better than the US.

chrsig 5y ago
The solution to this is to help the US rise to the occasion, not complain about it on the internet.
- rootusrootus 5y ago
  Many of us are trying to do exactly that. Can you explain how smugly proclaiming "see how we are better than you!?" furthers the conversation? It is not a constructive comment, it does not offer any meaningful insight to how we might improve the US. It's just divisive.
  - chrsig 5y ago
    Showcasing a better system that the US could emulate is a great way to offer insight into how the US could improve. Interpreting it as "See how we are better than you!?" -- literally no one has said this. Interpreting it like that is just putting insecurity on display. Given the choice of two reactions: - "Geez, that system does sound better than what we've got going on here, we should consider adopting it" and - "I get it, you think you're better than us! stop being so divisive!" ...which do you think would lead to positive change? which do you think is a more fair interpretation of what the OP actually said?
    - rootusrootus 5y ago
      > Interpreting it like that is just putting insecurity on display. Of course, that's exactly it. Responding to every single thread about the US with "I don't understand why the US is this way, we do it better" isn't divisive at all. And anybody who suggests so is insecure. I prefer a constructive discussion. This ain't one.
      - ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
        It really is constructive, sharing how others have solved a particular problem. You didn't actually address the point of taking it as a negative being an artifact of insecurity, so let me add a second opinion to the same effect. It would be respectful of you to provide a meaningful (non-sarcastic) response.