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That's not true. The largest authorities in the USA prompted headlines like this one from CBS headline in Nov 2020: Fauci says herd immunity possible "reasonabl

That's not true. The largest authorities in the USA prompted headlines like this one from CBS headline in Nov 2020: Fauci says herd immunity possible "reasonably quickly" if enough Americans take vaccine https://www.cbsnews.com/news/anthony-fauci-vaccine-herd-immunity-face-the-nation-2020-11-22/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/anthony-fauci-vaccine-herd-immu... And in Dec 2020 said things like: "If you really want true herd immunity, where you get a blanket of protection over the country ... you want about 75 to 85 percent of the country to get vaccinated,” Fauci, the longtime head of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said in a live-recorded interview with Rameswaram, the host of Today, Explained. “I would say even closer to 85 percent." https://www.vox.com/coronavirus-covid19/2020/12/15/22176555/anthony-fauci-covid-19-vaccine-herd-immunity-goal https://www.vox.com/coronavirus-covid19/2020/12/15/22176555/... That's very different from stressing that they didn't know how large the effect would be. It was simply billed as being able to stop spread completely, provided enough uptake, with made-up % figures thrown in: https://www.axios.com/fauci-goalposts-herd-immunity-c83c7500-d8f9-4960-a334-06cc03d9a220.html https://www.axios.com/fauci-goalposts-herd-immunity-c83c7500...

ac2u 5y ago
>That's not true. OP made a blanket statement of how 'it was sold to everyone'. I provide an experience of how it was presented based on my viewings of the experts I listened to in the media, providing evidence against the blanket statement. So you're telling me what I heard and read with my own eyes is false based on three america-centric articles?
Arnt 5y ago
I too got the impression that most experts stressed uncertainty. But let's assume that what Fauci said in those interview is typical. "Closer to 85%." "…can't be achieved if only 40% or 50% of the population receives the vaccine…" From that, I hear that the necessary figure is somewhat unknown, but what's needed is likely higher than Waterford's current. If you assume that everyone vaccinated in Waterford lives there (and not in the suburbs) and that they live to be 100 years old on average, then their vaccination share is slightly below 82%. 100 sounds a little high and people in the suburbs do avail themselves of services in the city, so my guess is that the real percentage is lower. And one sentence I don't see from Fauci is "we'll get almost the same benefit if a little fewer people are vaccinated".
jamespo 5y ago
I see your sources are pre Delta variant

ac2u 5y ago

>That's not true. OP made a blanket statement of how 'it was sold to everyone'. I provide an experience of how it was presented based on my viewings of the experts I listened to in the media, providing evidence against the blanket statement. So you're telling me what I heard and read with my own eyes is false based on three america-centric articles?

Arnt 5y ago

I too got the impression that most experts stressed uncertainty. But let's assume that what Fauci said in those interview is typical. "Closer to 85%." "…can't be achieved if only 40% or 50% of the population receives the vaccine…" From that, I hear that the necessary figure is somewhat unknown, but what's needed is likely higher than Waterford's current. If you assume that everyone vaccinated in Waterford lives there (and not in the suburbs) and that they live to be 100 years old on average, then their vaccination share is slightly below 82%. 100 sounds a little high and people in the suburbs do avail themselves of services in the city, so my guess is that the real percentage is lower. And one sentence I don't see from Fauci is "we'll get almost the same benefit if a little fewer people are vaccinated".

jamespo 5y ago

I see your sources are pre Delta variant