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How is this different from Apple ? You can't even install a custom browser engine on iOS. If Microsoft forced everyone to use trident or whatever people would b

How is this different from Apple ? You can't even install a custom browser engine on iOS. If Microsoft forced everyone to use trident or whatever people would be up in arms, but when it's Apple then it's suddenly about "tailoring your experience". Meanwhile WebKit is the worst engine available and is intentionally gimping features to prevent you from bypassing app store tax.

asciident 5y ago
Agreed, Apple is far worse on being monopolistic and draconian, but people give them a pass because they have cool design. Everything they're doing with iMessage, the iOS and Mac App Stores, AirPods, Safari, etc. are all extend and embrace, without the trepidation that Microsoft has had.
- vetinari 5y ago
  I don't think it is due to cool design. I think it is because using Apple is not mandatory. Apple is an aspirational brand, you use their products because you want to. Microsoft's products are not; they pushed hard their product everywhere, and were difficult to avoid, if you wanted something else. That itself caused a much friction, and when they start to steer you somewhere you don't want to go, their products are not exactly going to be your favorites.
bun_at_work 5y ago
> How is this different from Apple ? This is a desktop OS. You're comparing Windows 11 not letting users select which browser they'd prefer on a PC OS to iOS, which is a phone OS. A more apt comparison would obviously be to compare Windows 11 and macOS. macOS doesn't force you to use Safari, lets you specify which browser you'd like as a default, and respects that decision, only bothering you about it on major updates. Even then, only bothering you with a popup that asks if you'd like to try it.
- moonchrome 5y ago
  This issue isn't about which browser you prefer it's which browser gets opened by built in search on start menu. Not a fan of the decision but I would never use this feature and turn it off anyway.

asciident 5y ago

Agreed, Apple is far worse on being monopolistic and draconian, but people give them a pass because they have cool design. Everything they're doing with iMessage, the iOS and Mac App Stores, AirPods, Safari, etc. are all extend and embrace, without the trepidation that Microsoft has had.

vetinari 5y ago
I don't think it is due to cool design. I think it is because using Apple is not mandatory. Apple is an aspirational brand, you use their products because you want to. Microsoft's products are not; they pushed hard their product everywhere, and were difficult to avoid, if you wanted something else. That itself caused a much friction, and when they start to steer you somewhere you don't want to go, their products are not exactly going to be your favorites.

bun_at_work 5y ago

> How is this different from Apple ? This is a desktop OS. You're comparing Windows 11 not letting users select which browser they'd prefer on a PC OS to iOS, which is a phone OS. A more apt comparison would obviously be to compare Windows 11 and macOS. macOS doesn't force you to use Safari, lets you specify which browser you'd like as a default, and respects that decision, only bothering you about it on major updates. Even then, only bothering you with a popup that asks if you'd like to try it.

moonchrome 5y ago
This issue isn't about which browser you prefer it's which browser gets opened by built in search on start menu. Not a fan of the decision but I would never use this feature and turn it off anyway.