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I can't reply to your last comment because it's too deep, so I'll comment here: > According to your graph, excess mortality for ages 0-14 for this year is lowe

I can't reply to your last comment because it's too deep, so I'll comment here: > According to your graph, excess mortality for ages 0-14 for this year is lower than it was in 2019, before the vaccine or the pandemic hit. And the excess mortality in the 15-44 age group is maybe 5000 people across 28 countries See week 18-42, for 0-14 age group. Yes it has barely got to 2019 levels, but consider that beginning of year they died much less due to lockdowns, so summer high rate was enough to make up for 2019 where both winters the starting and ending saw very high climb. Again, it's about having that type of velocity during summer, not winters. It's 500-800 children compared to other summers. Since 3 millions of vaccinations given out it could mean around 1 out of 6,000 deaths per vaccination. So all in all, it wouldn't be possible for me to prove it even if vaccine was causing a lot of harm? Because what else can I use besides excess deaths (as much data that as it's possible to gather), adverse event reporting tools etc, anecdotal stories. There's just no way. To myself, there are too many signs pointing towards it, but I guess there's no point to really crusade at all even if it is causing harm.

Nursie 5y ago
> Since 3 millions of vaccinations given out it could mean around 1 out of 6,000 deaths per vaccination. It could, or it could mean something else entirely, and it could be within normal trends. Which is what it looks like to me if all cause mortality is lower than 2019 levels. > So all in all, it wouldn't be possible for me to prove it even if vaccine was causing a lot of harm? Not from this data, no. > Because what else can I use besides excess deaths (as much data that as it's possible to gather), adverse event reporting tools etc, anecdotal stories. There's just no way. Real research and analysis, not "I looked at some very high level graphs with fairly shallow data and decided that it fit my preconceptions". If you're thinking "I don't have easy access to that information, and I don't have the time or the funding to investigate", you're quite right. Medical researchers will have to carry the can here.
- mewpmewp2 5y ago
  > If you're thinking "I don't have easy access to that information, and I don't have the time or the funding to investigate", you're quite right. Medical researchers will have to carry the can here. Yeah, unfortunately, I've lost all my trust in anything that comes in from mainstream. I was to vaccinate myself, but then I found contradicting information, and from there I couldn't stop going to the rabbit hole, because this doesn't make sense. Mathematically and statistically if mainstream was only telling truth, what I'm seeing should be impossible. It's a terrible situation for me to be in as it stresses me daily, ruins my focus and depresses me. Either I'm crazy and worried about nothing or things generally in the world are not going well and people are in mass hypnosis. Neither is a good side to be in.
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    > I was to vaccinate myself, but then I found contradicting information, and from there I couldn't stop going to the rabbit hole, because this doesn't make sense. Dodged a bullet there! How fortunate that you went to look for contradicting information, what are the chances?
    - mewpmewp2 5y ago
      Not sure what you mean here? I didn't have bias towards being anti-vaxx. In fact I was arguing with anti-vaxxers before and doing calculations how many lives would 1 vaccinated person save during summer given different R values, vaccine efficiencies etc.
  - Nursie 5y ago
    > Mathematically and statistically... ...what you've identified is not enough to draw any conclusions from, at all. > Either I'm crazy and worried about nothing This one. The vaccine is not killing people in significant numbers, but the virus is. Stop worrying, get vaccinated, get on with life.

Nursie 5y ago

> Since 3 millions of vaccinations given out it could mean around 1 out of 6,000 deaths per vaccination. It could, or it could mean something else entirely, and it could be within normal trends. Which is what it looks like to me if all cause mortality is lower than 2019 levels. > So all in all, it wouldn't be possible for me to prove it even if vaccine was causing a lot of harm? Not from this data, no. > Because what else can I use besides excess deaths (as much data that as it's possible to gather), adverse event reporting tools etc, anecdotal stories. There's just no way. Real research and analysis, not "I looked at some very high level graphs with fairly shallow data and decided that it fit my preconceptions". If you're thinking "I don't have easy access to that information, and I don't have the time or the funding to investigate", you're quite right. Medical researchers will have to carry the can here.

mewpmewp2 5y ago
> If you're thinking "I don't have easy access to that information, and I don't have the time or the funding to investigate", you're quite right. Medical researchers will have to carry the can here. Yeah, unfortunately, I've lost all my trust in anything that comes in from mainstream. I was to vaccinate myself, but then I found contradicting information, and from there I couldn't stop going to the rabbit hole, because this doesn't make sense. Mathematically and statistically if mainstream was only telling truth, what I'm seeing should be impossible. It's a terrible situation for me to be in as it stresses me daily, ruins my focus and depresses me. Either I'm crazy and worried about nothing or things generally in the world are not going well and people are in mass hypnosis. Neither is a good side to be in.
- jacquesm 5y ago
  > I was to vaccinate myself, but then I found contradicting information, and from there I couldn't stop going to the rabbit hole, because this doesn't make sense. Dodged a bullet there! How fortunate that you went to look for contradicting information, what are the chances?
  - mewpmewp2 5y ago
    Not sure what you mean here? I didn't have bias towards being anti-vaxx. In fact I was arguing with anti-vaxxers before and doing calculations how many lives would 1 vaccinated person save during summer given different R values, vaccine efficiencies etc.
- Nursie 5y ago
  > Mathematically and statistically... ...what you've identified is not enough to draw any conclusions from, at all. > Either I'm crazy and worried about nothing This one. The vaccine is not killing people in significant numbers, but the virus is. Stop worrying, get vaccinated, get on with life.