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I agree. My jump was from Windows 7, when MS announced requirements for Windows 11 that seemed to try the trusted computing thing again. I have Windows 10 in a

I agree. My jump was from Windows 7, when MS announced requirements for Windows 11 that seemed to try the trusted computing thing again. I have Windows 10 in a VM. It is not horrible once debloated, but my daily driver at this point is PopOS, which I can happily recommend. If only we could now get linux phone done ( and no, mobile ubuntu does not count ) to where desktop is today, I think I would be content.

fsflover 5y ago
> ( and no, mobile ubuntu does not count ) How about Librem 5: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5 https://puri.sm/products/librem-5?
- heywherelogingo 5y ago
  52 week wait and overpriced.
  - fsflover 5y ago
    If you want to change the industry, you have to vote with your wallet. There is no other way.
    - heywherelogingo 5y ago
      If you want to change the industry you have to provide the wanted product.
      - fsflover 5y ago
        And for free please. /s
        heywherelogingo 5y ago
        /s usually means sarcasm, not stupidity.
        fsflover 5y ago
        Sarcasm is exactly what I wanted to show. You do not like the price as if there was a wide choice of options. In reality, this is the price of a change. Otherwise it's is akin to free, because the company would have to pay the difference for you.
  - mrpopo 5y ago
    Not to mention 32GB storage, that's a 10? year lag on technology. Well, that could work if their ecosystem isn't bloated.
    - fsflover 5y ago
      You can put a 2 TB microSD in it.
Bobylonian 5y ago
Not sure what is meant by where "desktop is today" unless you have a desktop that consists of thouchscreen display and no keyboard and mouse, but I would not want a phone that is operated as Linux desktop, because phone has to be phone first. There are some others - Sailfish OS, Pure OS, Plasma Mobile and Manjaro for ARM - there are a lot of Linux based phones nowadays(Android is one of them).
- A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
  By phrase reference to desktop, I mean that desktop experience on Linux for me is now comparable, if not noticeably better than Windows. I am genuinely more productive now despite certain gripes with Gnome. Stuff generally just works. The stuff that does not work, I can emulate or put in VM. Now when I try to compare my current linux phone ( Pine ) with default Ubuntu to a cheapest android phone, the experience is just lacking. I know other OSs are available, and they were still underwhelming at the time. Has it gotten any better? I would love to try Librem, but I can't justify dropping $1999 for US version ( the non-US version has heavy lead time now ). I am not saying the option is not there. It is just not ready for prime time.

fsflover 5y ago

> ( and no, mobile ubuntu does not count ) How about Librem 5: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5 https://puri.sm/products/librem-5?

heywherelogingo 5y ago
52 week wait and overpriced.
- fsflover 5y ago
  If you want to change the industry, you have to vote with your wallet. There is no other way.
  - heywherelogingo 5y ago
    If you want to change the industry you have to provide the wanted product.
    - fsflover 5y ago
      And for free please. /s
      - heywherelogingo 5y ago
        /s usually means sarcasm, not stupidity.
        fsflover 5y ago
        Sarcasm is exactly what I wanted to show. You do not like the price as if there was a wide choice of options. In reality, this is the price of a change. Otherwise it's is akin to free, because the company would have to pay the difference for you.
- mrpopo 5y ago
  Not to mention 32GB storage, that's a 10? year lag on technology. Well, that could work if their ecosystem isn't bloated.
  - fsflover 5y ago
    You can put a 2 TB microSD in it.

Bobylonian 5y ago

Not sure what is meant by where "desktop is today" unless you have a desktop that consists of thouchscreen display and no keyboard and mouse, but I would not want a phone that is operated as Linux desktop, because phone has to be phone first. There are some others - Sailfish OS, Pure OS, Plasma Mobile and Manjaro for ARM - there are a lot of Linux based phones nowadays(Android is one of them).

A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
By phrase reference to desktop, I mean that desktop experience on Linux for me is now comparable, if not noticeably better than Windows. I am genuinely more productive now despite certain gripes with Gnome. Stuff generally just works. The stuff that does not work, I can emulate or put in VM. Now when I try to compare my current linux phone ( Pine ) with default Ubuntu to a cheapest android phone, the experience is just lacking. I know other OSs are available, and they were still underwhelming at the time. Has it gotten any better? I would love to try Librem, but I can't justify dropping $1999 for US version ( the non-US version has heavy lead time now ). I am not saying the option is not there. It is just not ready for prime time.