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This just shows how Microsoft's internal structure harms users. PMs get paid based on idiot stats and the more the Internet Explorer Edge team can increase IE

This just shows how Microsoft's internal structure harms users. PMs get paid based on idiot stats and the more the Internet Explorer Edge team can increase IE Edge usage the more they get in bonus payments. So they force it on their Windows users down their throat, completely disregarding how awful of an experience this is as long as they get a better pay check. The same happened with Teams. The Teams PM managed to get Teams integrated into Windows 11 in order to increase its usage stats for a better bonus. Honestly, I don't know why so many people, especially developers still use Windows. I am 100% convinced that developers on Windows who are still using Windows as their main OS for software dev have not tried another OS for at least a few months to give it a proper try. It's unimaginable how an intelligent human being would otherwise like Windows. There is nothing to like about it. Windows 11 was a massive downgrade from 10 as well.

fleaaaa 5y ago
Only if proprietary softwares outside of dev toolchains support linux natively, I do really want that but in reality it is not.
- skohan 5y ago
  Which software would you need to work to make the switch? So much of what I use is web-based nowadays, it's only really dev tools and games which I care about running natively. The former is best-in-class on Linux, and the latter is getting pretty darned good.
  - michaelt 5y ago
    There will always be some people who are stuck on Windows, because there will always be some people who need to use things like SolidWorks / Fusion 360 / Altium / Zemax.
  - fleaaa 5y ago
    Not much actually, Ableton Live, Max/MSP and loads of ancient VSTs. Yes I tried ardour, bitwig and reaper but those aren't enough for my workflow unfortunately. Also HW supports isn't great on linux when it comes to various combination of external audio gears. Like another child comment said, I've tried multiple distros for years as well but always came back to win cause I can't be bothered to maintain two different OS in my flavor. Windows is cumbersome for sure but it can be mitigated at the end of the day. Windows is not my fave OS per se but just works in most cases.. I've been actually a mac user for a long time but it sucked on HW/SW in my case. I ditched mac like a couple years ago but now It might be in a better fit..
    - skohan 5y ago
      Oh my friend just started working at Ableton! Anything you wish you had from their products?
ayushnix 5y ago
> Honestly, I don't know why so many people, especially developers still use Windows. A combination of comfort in familiarity and lack of viable alternatives. Not everyone has the money to buy an expensive Mac. With Linux, you potentially end up working for the OS rather than the OS working for you, no matter how far Linux on the desktop has come. See the latest video from Linus Tech Tips on Linux, for example.
- emaro 5y ago
  OS works for you > you work for the OS > OS works you
  - denton-scratch 5y ago
    Russian reversal?
- ulzeraj 5y ago
  > you potentially end up working for the OS rather than the OS working for you The irony is that in using Windows 10 and 11 you are actually generating revenue to MS from their data collection and ads integrated within the core OS. You are working for the OS. And it gets better when you realize this is a software you had to purchase to use.
- pxc 5y ago
  > See the latest video from Linus Tech Tips on Linux, for example. lol. The OS told Linus exactly what it would do, warned him it might not be what he intended in ALL CAPS, and made him type a full sentence (with an exclamation point!) confirming that it was really what he wanted. And then it did exactly what it told him it would do. That there was a dependency conflict for a short time there (less than an hour) is a legitimate annoyance. But developers should not be troubled by the fact that an operating system is actually obedient, or that its warnings actually mean something.
  - ayushnix 5y ago
    From the point of view of an absolute beginner, Linus shouldn't even be on a terminal. The PopOS shop should've worked. If it didn't work, a package installation shouldn't have asked him to nuke his GUI in huge wall of text, it should've rejected him (which is what a sensible package manager would do). But sure, let's ignore the horrible UX and blame a newbie for not being experienced with how a terminal works.
pidminusone 5y ago
Mac is way too expensive for most of the world. Hardware support for most linux distros still suck. This year I've used Ubuntu, NixOS, Arch and Zorin OS. My issues: - Dell dock station won't work properly. - Hibernation on Lenovo laptop won't work properly. - Bluetooth won't work properly. I'm using currently Zorin OS and it has the best user experience so far. That said, it still requires leg work to setup stuff compared to Windows 10 (I use it at $JOB). Ironically, I think using Linux in Windows is actually easier for many use cases as you can just wipe your distro clean if gets to a broken state.
- pxc 5y ago
  What kind of docking station is your Dell one? What behavior are you observing with hibernation?

fleaaaa 5y ago

Only if proprietary softwares outside of dev toolchains support linux natively, I do really want that but in reality it is not.

skohan 5y ago
Which software would you need to work to make the switch? So much of what I use is web-based nowadays, it's only really dev tools and games which I care about running natively. The former is best-in-class on Linux, and the latter is getting pretty darned good.
- michaelt 5y ago
  There will always be some people who are stuck on Windows, because there will always be some people who need to use things like SolidWorks / Fusion 360 / Altium / Zemax.
- fleaaa 5y ago
  Not much actually, Ableton Live, Max/MSP and loads of ancient VSTs. Yes I tried ardour, bitwig and reaper but those aren't enough for my workflow unfortunately. Also HW supports isn't great on linux when it comes to various combination of external audio gears. Like another child comment said, I've tried multiple distros for years as well but always came back to win cause I can't be bothered to maintain two different OS in my flavor. Windows is cumbersome for sure but it can be mitigated at the end of the day. Windows is not my fave OS per se but just works in most cases.. I've been actually a mac user for a long time but it sucked on HW/SW in my case. I ditched mac like a couple years ago but now It might be in a better fit..
  - skohan 5y ago
    Oh my friend just started working at Ableton! Anything you wish you had from their products?

ayushnix 5y ago

> Honestly, I don't know why so many people, especially developers still use Windows. A combination of comfort in familiarity and lack of viable alternatives. Not everyone has the money to buy an expensive Mac. With Linux, you potentially end up working for the OS rather than the OS working for you, no matter how far Linux on the desktop has come. See the latest video from Linus Tech Tips on Linux, for example.

emaro 5y ago
OS works for you > you work for the OS > OS works you
- denton-scratch 5y ago
  Russian reversal?
ulzeraj 5y ago
> you potentially end up working for the OS rather than the OS working for you The irony is that in using Windows 10 and 11 you are actually generating revenue to MS from their data collection and ads integrated within the core OS. You are working for the OS. And it gets better when you realize this is a software you had to purchase to use.
pxc 5y ago
> See the latest video from Linus Tech Tips on Linux, for example. lol. The OS told Linus exactly what it would do, warned him it might not be what he intended in ALL CAPS, and made him type a full sentence (with an exclamation point!) confirming that it was really what he wanted. And then it did exactly what it told him it would do. That there was a dependency conflict for a short time there (less than an hour) is a legitimate annoyance. But developers should not be troubled by the fact that an operating system is actually obedient, or that its warnings actually mean something.
- ayushnix 5y ago
  From the point of view of an absolute beginner, Linus shouldn't even be on a terminal. The PopOS shop should've worked. If it didn't work, a package installation shouldn't have asked him to nuke his GUI in huge wall of text, it should've rejected him (which is what a sensible package manager would do). But sure, let's ignore the horrible UX and blame a newbie for not being experienced with how a terminal works.

pidminusone 5y ago

Mac is way too expensive for most of the world. Hardware support for most linux distros still suck. This year I've used Ubuntu, NixOS, Arch and Zorin OS. My issues: - Dell dock station won't work properly. - Hibernation on Lenovo laptop won't work properly. - Bluetooth won't work properly. I'm using currently Zorin OS and it has the best user experience so far. That said, it still requires leg work to setup stuff compared to Windows 10 (I use it at $JOB). Ironically, I think using Linux in Windows is actually easier for many use cases as you can just wipe your distro clean if gets to a broken state.

pxc 5y ago
What kind of docking station is your Dell one? What behavior are you observing with hibernation?