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> and bad What is your justification for this?

by heavenlyblue 5y ago

foxhop 5y ago
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- user-the-name 5y ago
  The vaccine mandate isn't taking away the livelyhood of a single person. Go get the vaccine for free and stop putting yourself and everyone around you in mortal danger. The vaccine absolutely, definitely, without a single doubt in the mind of any sane person, does stop the spread of contagion. To claim otherwise is a direct and clear lie. By repeating this, you are lying. As far as I can gather, christians are not allowed to do so.
  - foxhop 5y ago
    That's absurd. You have no idea my circumstances or anyone who is loosing a job, you are putting people in mortal danger with your authoritarian wrong think.
    - gryfft 5y ago
      This is HN. Show us the numbers or be laughed off the stage. (Hint: you don't have the numbers because the vaccines work.)
      - profeatur 5y ago
        I’d be less hesitant to take the vaccine if midwits weren’t so eager to convince me that science says what I know science cannot say.
        gryfft 5y ago
        Well, be specific! What snake oil am I peddling? What magic claims do I have? "Vaccines work," and more specifically, "people who take the vaccine do not get as sick or spread the disease as much" are straight up _observations._ So... Science says that's "un-possible," hrm?
        profeatur 5y ago
        There's a difference between "vaccines work," and the vaccine specifically developed for COVID works. Most of us who are skeptical of the second statement are not skeptical of the first. The snake oil is in the discourse.
        gryfft 5y ago
        No, I said that we can simply and directly observe that those who receive the COVID vaccine ALMOST UNIVERSALLY do not wind up requiring hospitalization for COVID. This is "sky is blue" stuff. https://www.foxnews.com/health/covid-19-hospitalizations-nonvaccinated https://www.foxnews.com/health/covid-19-hospitalizations-non... Note my "communist left-winger" source. Let's go a step further! Here I'm linking an article whose headline will really stroke your confirmation bias: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-54-of-hospital-patients-with-virus-are-fully-vaccinated-1.4670229 https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-54-of-hospital-... But if you read the actual article: > Some 72 per cent of all patients in ICU since late June had an underlying condition. Between April and August, there were 193 Covid-19 deaths. Of the 178 patients whose vaccination status was known, 30 were at least 14 days after receiving the final dose of vaccine. ... > “The rise in vaccinated patients in hospital is not a surprise as more and more people have been vaccinated,” said HSE chief clinical officer Dr Colm Henry. > Whereas in January up to 50 people ended up in hospital for every 1,000 Covid-19 cases, now fewer than 20 hospitalisations occur for the same number of cases. > “But for the vaccination programme, hospitals would have been overwhelmed,” Dr Henry said. I ask you again: where is the snake oil? And I'll tell you: your emotional attachment to being right and being proud of your bullshit-detection-kit is making you prone to a type ii error here. Reject the null hypothesis. The COVID vaccine obviously, patently, visibly, openly works. Take your tools of skepticism and apply them somewhere that isn't equivalent to parking in a fire lane during a fire.
    - user-the-name 5y ago
      No, you are putting people in mortal danger. Do not try to "no you" this. You, specifically, are putting people at risk of actually dying. You are being massively reckless, and acting extremely un-christian since you are spreading lies about it.
      - foxhop 5y ago
        Fake news, unvacinated people pose no inherent dangers. A person with the sars-cov-2 contagion spreads the virus. Unfortunately both vacinated and unvacinated people are at risk of contracting & spreading sars-cov-2, we have a staggering number of break through cases, even in highly vacinated areas. I am not a mortal danger to myself or anyone becuase I dont have sars-cov-2. this is the 5th endemic Corona virus. I AM healthy and strong. not sick, not unclean, not unhygenic, not uncaring, not part of the untouchable caste, I will not obey. people with the virus spread the virus, not any arbitrary list that the government keeps on injection status or religion.
    - rbanffy 5y ago
      If you have a valid medical reason not to vaccinate, then you are exempt from the mandate. Otherwise, you put yourself and every person you interact with in danger, in special those who can't vaccinate for valid medical reasons. Right now, a large part of the hospital resources dedicated to COVID are being used on non-vaccinated, taking those resources away from others who don't have COVID but still need a hospital
      - foxhop 5y ago
        Fake news, unvacinated people pose no inherent danger to anyone. A person with the sars-cov-2 contagion spreads the virus. Unfortunately both vacinated and unvacinated people are at risk of contracting spreading sars-cov-2, we have a staggering number of break through cases, even in highly vacinated areas. I am not a mortal danger to myself or anyone becuase I dont have the virus. this is the 5th endemic Corona virus. I AM healthy and strong. not sick, not unclean, not unhygenic, not uncaring, not part of the untouchable caste, I will not obey. people with the virus spread the virus, not any arbitrary list that the government keeps on injection status or religion.
        long_time_gone 5y ago
        > people with the virus spread the virus, not any arbitrary list that the government keeps on injection status or religion. The virus doesn’t sent you an email to let you know you have it. Many people have it and spread it without even knowing. The best way to fight against that is through vaccination. The rest of your comment reads like you doing mental gymnastics to justify the stance you already dug in on months ago.
      - gryfft 5y ago
        > Right now, a large part of the hospital resources dedicated to COVID are being used on non-vaccinated, taking those resources away from others who don't have COVID but still need a hospital This is the crux and the part of the argument they will never engage with. The unvaccinated make up the vast majority of those hospitalized, and the resources those people are consuming don't come from nowhere. Has anybody here tried to use medical services in America this year for non-COVID reasons? Medical staff are overworked. Clerical staff are tired and making mistakes. The quality of medical care has dropped, and it's the fault of the unvaccinated, full stop.
- saiya-jin 5y ago
  > Truth, Freedom, Love Funny, your words above this speak contrary to this. Where is your Love for people who can't be treated because hospitals are overwhelmed? There is strong suspicion that due to this covid caused equal amount of deaths as a nasty side effect (undiagnosed heart attacks, strokes, cancers, hugely delayed surgeries etc.) There ain't no Truth in your words, simple scientific fact. And as for Freedom, its just about you and likeminded people. You clearly don't care about containing virus and thus giving freedom to everybody. Well the rest of us beg to differ.
  - foxhop 5y ago
    With all due respect, people with an inferior immune system to the mean of the herd should choose what works for them, this might mean an injection of some sort. This is their FREEDOM TO injection. All I'm asking for is FREEDOM FROM authority telling my people to inject or be LOCK OUT while everyone else comes out of LOCK DOWN into our new dystopia where TRUTH is hard to swallow so people don't look for it. Even though you show a strong contrast to my position: I LOVE YOU!

> and bad What is your justification for this?

foxhop 5y ago

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user-the-name 5y ago
The vaccine mandate isn't taking away the livelyhood of a single person. Go get the vaccine for free and stop putting yourself and everyone around you in mortal danger. The vaccine absolutely, definitely, without a single doubt in the mind of any sane person, does stop the spread of contagion. To claim otherwise is a direct and clear lie. By repeating this, you are lying. As far as I can gather, christians are not allowed to do so.
- foxhop 5y ago
  That's absurd. You have no idea my circumstances or anyone who is loosing a job, you are putting people in mortal danger with your authoritarian wrong think.
  - gryfft 5y ago
    This is HN. Show us the numbers or be laughed off the stage. (Hint: you don't have the numbers because the vaccines work.)
    - profeatur 5y ago
      I’d be less hesitant to take the vaccine if midwits weren’t so eager to convince me that science says what I know science cannot say.
      - gryfft 5y ago
        Well, be specific! What snake oil am I peddling? What magic claims do I have? "Vaccines work," and more specifically, "people who take the vaccine do not get as sick or spread the disease as much" are straight up _observations._ So... Science says that's "un-possible," hrm?
        profeatur 5y ago
        There's a difference between "vaccines work," and the vaccine specifically developed for COVID works. Most of us who are skeptical of the second statement are not skeptical of the first. The snake oil is in the discourse.
        gryfft 5y ago
        No, I said that we can simply and directly observe that those who receive the COVID vaccine ALMOST UNIVERSALLY do not wind up requiring hospitalization for COVID. This is "sky is blue" stuff. https://www.foxnews.com/health/covid-19-hospitalizations-nonvaccinated https://www.foxnews.com/health/covid-19-hospitalizations-non... Note my "communist left-winger" source. Let's go a step further! Here I'm linking an article whose headline will really stroke your confirmation bias: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-54-of-hospital-patients-with-virus-are-fully-vaccinated-1.4670229 https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-54-of-hospital-... But if you read the actual article: > Some 72 per cent of all patients in ICU since late June had an underlying condition. Between April and August, there were 193 Covid-19 deaths. Of the 178 patients whose vaccination status was known, 30 were at least 14 days after receiving the final dose of vaccine. ... > “The rise in vaccinated patients in hospital is not a surprise as more and more people have been vaccinated,” said HSE chief clinical officer Dr Colm Henry. > Whereas in January up to 50 people ended up in hospital for every 1,000 Covid-19 cases, now fewer than 20 hospitalisations occur for the same number of cases. > “But for the vaccination programme, hospitals would have been overwhelmed,” Dr Henry said. I ask you again: where is the snake oil? And I'll tell you: your emotional attachment to being right and being proud of your bullshit-detection-kit is making you prone to a type ii error here. Reject the null hypothesis. The COVID vaccine obviously, patently, visibly, openly works. Take your tools of skepticism and apply them somewhere that isn't equivalent to parking in a fire lane during a fire.
  - user-the-name 5y ago
    No, you are putting people in mortal danger. Do not try to "no you" this. You, specifically, are putting people at risk of actually dying. You are being massively reckless, and acting extremely un-christian since you are spreading lies about it.
    - foxhop 5y ago
      Fake news, unvacinated people pose no inherent dangers. A person with the sars-cov-2 contagion spreads the virus. Unfortunately both vacinated and unvacinated people are at risk of contracting & spreading sars-cov-2, we have a staggering number of break through cases, even in highly vacinated areas. I am not a mortal danger to myself or anyone becuase I dont have sars-cov-2. this is the 5th endemic Corona virus. I AM healthy and strong. not sick, not unclean, not unhygenic, not uncaring, not part of the untouchable caste, I will not obey. people with the virus spread the virus, not any arbitrary list that the government keeps on injection status or religion.
  - rbanffy 5y ago
    If you have a valid medical reason not to vaccinate, then you are exempt from the mandate. Otherwise, you put yourself and every person you interact with in danger, in special those who can't vaccinate for valid medical reasons. Right now, a large part of the hospital resources dedicated to COVID are being used on non-vaccinated, taking those resources away from others who don't have COVID but still need a hospital
    - foxhop 5y ago
      Fake news, unvacinated people pose no inherent danger to anyone. A person with the sars-cov-2 contagion spreads the virus. Unfortunately both vacinated and unvacinated people are at risk of contracting spreading sars-cov-2, we have a staggering number of break through cases, even in highly vacinated areas. I am not a mortal danger to myself or anyone becuase I dont have the virus. this is the 5th endemic Corona virus. I AM healthy and strong. not sick, not unclean, not unhygenic, not uncaring, not part of the untouchable caste, I will not obey. people with the virus spread the virus, not any arbitrary list that the government keeps on injection status or religion.
      - long_time_gone 5y ago
        > people with the virus spread the virus, not any arbitrary list that the government keeps on injection status or religion. The virus doesn’t sent you an email to let you know you have it. Many people have it and spread it without even knowing. The best way to fight against that is through vaccination. The rest of your comment reads like you doing mental gymnastics to justify the stance you already dug in on months ago.
    - gryfft 5y ago
      > Right now, a large part of the hospital resources dedicated to COVID are being used on non-vaccinated, taking those resources away from others who don't have COVID but still need a hospital This is the crux and the part of the argument they will never engage with. The unvaccinated make up the vast majority of those hospitalized, and the resources those people are consuming don't come from nowhere. Has anybody here tried to use medical services in America this year for non-COVID reasons? Medical staff are overworked. Clerical staff are tired and making mistakes. The quality of medical care has dropped, and it's the fault of the unvaccinated, full stop.
saiya-jin 5y ago
> Truth, Freedom, Love Funny, your words above this speak contrary to this. Where is your Love for people who can't be treated because hospitals are overwhelmed? There is strong suspicion that due to this covid caused equal amount of deaths as a nasty side effect (undiagnosed heart attacks, strokes, cancers, hugely delayed surgeries etc.) There ain't no Truth in your words, simple scientific fact. And as for Freedom, its just about you and likeminded people. You clearly don't care about containing virus and thus giving freedom to everybody. Well the rest of us beg to differ.
- foxhop 5y ago
  With all due respect, people with an inferior immune system to the mean of the herd should choose what works for them, this might mean an injection of some sort. This is their FREEDOM TO injection. All I'm asking for is FREEDOM FROM authority telling my people to inject or be LOCK OUT while everyone else comes out of LOCK DOWN into our new dystopia where TRUTH is hard to swallow so people don't look for it. Even though you show a strong contrast to my position: I LOVE YOU!