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>to say the CIA just "misunderstood" religion is outright disinformation They definitely understood it, and they also understood that the USSR had 45,000 nucle

>to say the CIA just "misunderstood" religion is outright disinformation They definitely understood it, and they also understood that the USSR had 45,000 nuclear weapons pointed at your backyard.

anticodon 5y ago
> They definitely understood it, and they also understood that the USSR had 45,000 nuclear weapons pointed at your backyard. And USSR understood that immediately after WWII end, USA planned to finish what Nazis started. Using also nuclear bombs which USSR didn't have at the time.
- drran 5y ago
  Communists in USSR killed about 10x more innocents than Nazi. (Did you heard about Holodomor?). Why Nazi bad but USSR isn't?
  - trasz 5y ago
    If you count Holodomor as communism victims, you should also count all the people who died of poverty in the West as capitalism victims.
    - goohle 5y ago
      Famine ≠ killing by starving to death. USSR had massive famines before and after Holodomor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
  - whydoibother 5y ago
    Body counts as indicators of who is more evil is so absurd. What a useless argument. How many people did the USSR lift out of poverty and extend the lifespan of? Same with Mao and China. People who frame these as “omg but their body count” are so obviously disingenuous. Never see them mention body counts of the British empire or the American empire. Nooo, can’t do that. Commy man bad.
RNCTX 5y ago
none of which killed a soul. On the other hand CIA handled instigators killed far in excess of 45,000 people during the 'cold' war.
- drran 5y ago
  Are you joking? Russian spies are killing people right now. Former «Vympel», now «Alpha», entered Ukraine recently, and they started to collect money for their covert operation by murdering of innocent families. They are trying to kill me since 2008, because I searched/found their agent «24». USSR starved to death 7 million adults (number accepted by RF State Duma on 02.04.2008) and 23 million children (still not accepted by RF).
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    His comment is accurate. The comment he was replying to was about nukes, not all of the state. 23 million is the loss of expect natality, not dead children. It's people that weren't born. As with all famine as atrocities narratives, I wonder if you apply this standard fairly. Is every poor country that had a famine responsible or only those whose economic system you don't agree with? In that case isn't the West responsible for 2 million deaths every year by forcing Africa to adopt an economic system that leads to starvation? Of course you will say no but to me these are equivalent. It turns out there are no good guys If you're really being hunted by the FSB then I am sorry that Russia is doing this to you. I suggest that you would not post about it here as this forum is monitored and this information would be identifying to the FSB. I truly wish you the best of luck.
    - goohle 5y ago
      The actual number of victims in 1932-1934 is the top secret of RF. If you know actual number and can prove that, you should be already assassinated by RF, like many other historians, e.g. recently killed this year Vladimir Schukin[0]. The earliest intact document suggests that there was 81 million of Ukrainians before Holodomor and 31 million after. Nationality for 20 million ethnic Ukrainians was forcefully changed from Ukrainian to Russian (direct evidence of that filmed in 199x, when victims were still alive, and is available at YouTube[1]). 7 million adults starved to death (official number by RF[2]), 23 million children were dead also, but nobody counted them back then. 30 millions of Holodomor victims are hidden as victims of WWW2 («total» number of WWW2 victims raised from 12 million to 42 million). Famine and starvation is not equal to mass murdering by starvation. You are trying to downplay the murder to just «a death». [0]: https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2021/05/14/7293521/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2021/05/14/7293521/ [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8x0sgGPInM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8x0sgGPInM [2]: https://duma.consultant.ru/documents/955838 https://duma.consultant.ru/documents/955838

>to say the CIA just "misunderstood" religion is outright disinformation They definitely understood it, and they also understood that the USSR had 45,000 nuclear weapons pointed at your backyard.

anticodon 5y ago

> They definitely understood it, and they also understood that the USSR had 45,000 nuclear weapons pointed at your backyard. And USSR understood that immediately after WWII end, USA planned to finish what Nazis started. Using also nuclear bombs which USSR didn't have at the time.

drran 5y ago
Communists in USSR killed about 10x more innocents than Nazi. (Did you heard about Holodomor?). Why Nazi bad but USSR isn't?
- trasz 5y ago
  If you count Holodomor as communism victims, you should also count all the people who died of poverty in the West as capitalism victims.
  - goohle 5y ago
    Famine ≠ killing by starving to death. USSR had massive famines before and after Holodomor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
- whydoibother 5y ago
  Body counts as indicators of who is more evil is so absurd. What a useless argument. How many people did the USSR lift out of poverty and extend the lifespan of? Same with Mao and China. People who frame these as “omg but their body count” are so obviously disingenuous. Never see them mention body counts of the British empire or the American empire. Nooo, can’t do that. Commy man bad.

RNCTX 5y ago

none of which killed a soul. On the other hand CIA handled instigators killed far in excess of 45,000 people during the 'cold' war.

drran 5y ago
Are you joking? Russian spies are killing people right now. Former «Vympel», now «Alpha», entered Ukraine recently, and they started to collect money for their covert operation by murdering of innocent families. They are trying to kill me since 2008, because I searched/found their agent «24». USSR starved to death 7 million adults (number accepted by RF State Duma on 02.04.2008) and 23 million children (still not accepted by RF).
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  His comment is accurate. The comment he was replying to was about nukes, not all of the state. 23 million is the loss of expect natality, not dead children. It's people that weren't born. As with all famine as atrocities narratives, I wonder if you apply this standard fairly. Is every poor country that had a famine responsible or only those whose economic system you don't agree with? In that case isn't the West responsible for 2 million deaths every year by forcing Africa to adopt an economic system that leads to starvation? Of course you will say no but to me these are equivalent. It turns out there are no good guys If you're really being hunted by the FSB then I am sorry that Russia is doing this to you. I suggest that you would not post about it here as this forum is monitored and this information would be identifying to the FSB. I truly wish you the best of luck.
  - goohle 5y ago
    The actual number of victims in 1932-1934 is the top secret of RF. If you know actual number and can prove that, you should be already assassinated by RF, like many other historians, e.g. recently killed this year Vladimir Schukin[0]. The earliest intact document suggests that there was 81 million of Ukrainians before Holodomor and 31 million after. Nationality for 20 million ethnic Ukrainians was forcefully changed from Ukrainian to Russian (direct evidence of that filmed in 199x, when victims were still alive, and is available at YouTube[1]). 7 million adults starved to death (official number by RF[2]), 23 million children were dead also, but nobody counted them back then. 30 millions of Holodomor victims are hidden as victims of WWW2 («total» number of WWW2 victims raised from 12 million to 42 million). Famine and starvation is not equal to mass murdering by starvation. You are trying to downplay the murder to just «a death». [0]: https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2021/05/14/7293521/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2021/05/14/7293521/ [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8x0sgGPInM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8x0sgGPInM [2]: https://duma.consultant.ru/documents/955838 https://duma.consultant.ru/documents/955838