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Don't worry, you'll be on your deathbed due to cardiovascular disease, alzheimer, cancer or stroke before climate change even produces any minimal effects on yo

by GDC7 5y ago

Don't worry, you'll be on your deathbed due to cardiovascular disease, alzheimer, cancer or stroke before climate change even produces any minimal effects on your life. You, me and 50 generations down the road. Sorry to be this crude but the psychosis is getting crazy, well into the lunacy territory. I get the religious-like impetous of being part of something bigger than themselves, but equally stimulating challanges in global health abound and they have the added benefit of being material to the lifespan and quality of life of basically everybody. Finally to people who want to change global climate, talking about 1.5C , 2C like they are deciding how they want their beard to be trimmed. Well I must ask them : Have you tried changing your cholesterol first? Besides being the thing that would get you in the end, it also proves to be one of the many steps on the way to super ambitious goals. As the saying goes, you gotta walk before you can run. If you can't change your cholesterol , you'll hardly be able to change the global climate

iab 5y ago
For me, this is is a similar argument to COVID + vaccines. For some people (not saying this is you at all) there is the argument of: why should I get the vaccine? I probably won't die, and they are correct. But the quality of life for a lot of people will degrade substantially, and this is the core issue. No we won't die from climate change, but wouldn't you like to be somewhere where the effects are mitigated if you had the choice?
NoPicklez 5y ago
Whilst I agree nobody is perfect when it comes to managing their own health. But if the climate does warm past the expected number, having a clean bill of health won't do much to protect you.
- GDC7 5y ago
  > But if the climate does warm past the expected number, having a clean bill of health won't do much to protect you. The highest authority on the matter is the IPCC, they produce climate reports every 4 years. There made lots of them, and people wait anxiously their reports to see the state of the art. Not in one of their reports did the words "human extinction" ever come up. Again life is a matter of priorities and triage. Before screaming and predicting the end of the world, people should worry about doing everything in their power to delay their own personal "end of the world" And if you are worried about systemic risks, then nuclear and bioweapons are still way above climate change There are 10000+ of them with potential ramp up and proliferation, and unlike generalized climate change they are directly aimed at targets were people live.
  - NoPicklez 5y ago
    My point is that if we do nothing about climate change it will still inevitably cause the same if not more devastation than that of nuclear and bioweapons. One is absolute if we do nothing, the other is not so obvious. At the end of the day there isn't ever one focus, there are multiple focuses when it comes to keeping ourselves and each other alive. The risks of climate change IMO are not a question of how but when, in amongst all other health risks.
    - GDC7 5y ago
      > The risks of climate change IMO are not a question of how but when So is the heat death of the Universe but it's a bit too early to start worrying about it.
schwartzworld 5y ago
I legitimately can't tell if this is a bit.

by GDC7 5y ago

iab 5y ago

For me, this is is a similar argument to COVID + vaccines. For some people (not saying this is you at all) there is the argument of: why should I get the vaccine? I probably won't die, and they are correct. But the quality of life for a lot of people will degrade substantially, and this is the core issue. No we won't die from climate change, but wouldn't you like to be somewhere where the effects are mitigated if you had the choice?

NoPicklez 5y ago

Whilst I agree nobody is perfect when it comes to managing their own health. But if the climate does warm past the expected number, having a clean bill of health won't do much to protect you.

GDC7 5y ago
> But if the climate does warm past the expected number, having a clean bill of health won't do much to protect you. The highest authority on the matter is the IPCC, they produce climate reports every 4 years. There made lots of them, and people wait anxiously their reports to see the state of the art. Not in one of their reports did the words "human extinction" ever come up. Again life is a matter of priorities and triage. Before screaming and predicting the end of the world, people should worry about doing everything in their power to delay their own personal "end of the world" And if you are worried about systemic risks, then nuclear and bioweapons are still way above climate change There are 10000+ of them with potential ramp up and proliferation, and unlike generalized climate change they are directly aimed at targets were people live.
- NoPicklez 5y ago
  My point is that if we do nothing about climate change it will still inevitably cause the same if not more devastation than that of nuclear and bioweapons. One is absolute if we do nothing, the other is not so obvious. At the end of the day there isn't ever one focus, there are multiple focuses when it comes to keeping ourselves and each other alive. The risks of climate change IMO are not a question of how but when, in amongst all other health risks.
  - GDC7 5y ago
    > The risks of climate change IMO are not a question of how but when So is the heat death of the Universe but it's a bit too early to start worrying about it.

schwartzworld 5y ago

I legitimately can't tell if this is a bit.