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> Our nation is founded on liberty. I suspect we live in different nations, then. > You are proposing the imposition of your ideals onto someone else, via the

> Our nation is founded on liberty. I suspect we live in different nations, then. > You are proposing the imposition of your ideals onto someone else, via theft, under the penalty of governmental violence/incarceration. Is this your opinion of all taxes? If so, I'm surprised you manage to function day-to-day.

hellojesus 5y ago
> I suspect we live in different nations, then. """ The American republic was founded on a set of beliefs that were tested during the Revolutionary War. Among them was the idea that all people are created equal, whether European, Native American, or African American, and that these people have fundamental rights, such as liberty, free speech, freedom of religion, due process of law, and freedom of assembly. America’s revolutionaries openly discussed these concepts. Many Americans agreed with them but some found that the ideology was far more acceptable in the abstract than in practice. """ https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/creating-the-united-states/founded-on-a-set-of-beliefs.html https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/creating-the-united-states/foun... > Is this your opinion of all taxes? If so, I'm surprised you manage to function day-to-day. I am of the belief that taxes are appropriate to fund the limited function that the government was designed to fulfill. Namely goods/services which are public, such as providing national defense and a legal system for enforcing the number one principle, "voluntary transactions okay. Involuntary transactions not okay." I am fine with taxes so long as they are providing a public good which cannot be met by the private sector due to factors such as nonexcludability. The types of things that are covered by that statement include things like national defense and law/policing such that the state can arbitrate on enforcement of private contracts as well as provide punishment for involuntary harm caused on a 3rd party. In fact, that is the primary reason the founders were specific in direct vs. indirect taxes. Such a distinction provides clarity around how much of a public good can be created and how they can be paid for in a relatively fair fashion. Excise taxes are primarily consumption based, and all indirect taxes are subject to apportionment. Hence the absurdity of the 16th ammendment. I do not consider wealth redistribution a function of the government, especially on the national level, as it is specifically excludable.

hellojesus 5y ago

> I suspect we live in different nations, then. """ The American republic was founded on a set of beliefs that were tested during the Revolutionary War. Among them was the idea that all people are created equal, whether European, Native American, or African American, and that these people have fundamental rights, such as liberty, free speech, freedom of religion, due process of law, and freedom of assembly. America’s revolutionaries openly discussed these concepts. Many Americans agreed with them but some found that the ideology was far more acceptable in the abstract than in practice. """ https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/creating-the-united-states/founded-on-a-set-of-beliefs.html https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/creating-the-united-states/foun... > Is this your opinion of all taxes? If so, I'm surprised you manage to function day-to-day. I am of the belief that taxes are appropriate to fund the limited function that the government was designed to fulfill. Namely goods/services which are public, such as providing national defense and a legal system for enforcing the number one principle, "voluntary transactions okay. Involuntary transactions not okay." I am fine with taxes so long as they are providing a public good which cannot be met by the private sector due to factors such as nonexcludability. The types of things that are covered by that statement include things like national defense and law/policing such that the state can arbitrate on enforcement of private contracts as well as provide punishment for involuntary harm caused on a 3rd party. In fact, that is the primary reason the founders were specific in direct vs. indirect taxes. Such a distinction provides clarity around how much of a public good can be created and how they can be paid for in a relatively fair fashion. Excise taxes are primarily consumption based, and all indirect taxes are subject to apportionment. Hence the absurdity of the 16th ammendment. I do not consider wealth redistribution a function of the government, especially on the national level, as it is specifically excludable.