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Is it possibly an unaccounted for side effect of the vaccine?

by hpoe 5y ago

baremetal 5y ago
you're gonna shatter a lot of peoples worldview with a statement like that.
- b0tzzzzzzman 5y ago
  We don't talk about that possibility.
generalizations 5y ago
It's exactly the demographic that's known to have elevated risk of myocardial problems due to the vaccine.
- deleted 5y ago
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- twoWhlsGud 5y ago
  While I'm no expert, just a bit of Googling leads to suggestions that it's also the demographic showing a high (and therefore arguably much higher) incidence of heart inflammation after infection (e.g. from the American College of Cardiology recently): https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/articles/2021/09/28/18/07/covid-19-myocarditis-and-cardiac-mri-in-athletes https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/articles/2021/09/28... Note while no deaths were found in the studies, the fact that these small studies are finding inflammation common suggests the effect is much larger than the (very unusual) cases being intensively surveilled in the case of inoculation. (I.e. you find what you're looking for...)
  - generalizations 5y ago
    That's only true if the populations are not being controlled for prior infection.
danielsju6 5y ago
Much more likely side-effects of COVID infection, no?
- beaned 5y ago
  Likely not: "Healthy boys may be more likely to be admitted to hospital with a rare side-effect of the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid vaccine that causes inflammation of the heart than with Covid itself, US researchers claim." https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-risk-from-pfizer-jab-side-effect-than-covid-suggests-study https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-r...
  - Alex3917 5y ago
    Well if you have two groups, 100% of whom got the vaccine, versus 0.25% or whatever who got Covid, then sure that's not unlikely. But in a few years, 100% of those who don't get the vaccine will get covid. So this isn't exactly a rational basis for making decisions.
    - beaner 5y ago
      I don't believe the study is comparing absolute numbers, it's talking about risk on a per-individual level.
      - Alex3917 5y ago
        I didn't read the study, but the article talks about the number of cases during a four month period.
        Vecr 5y ago
        That's about how long the Pfizer-BioNTech reliably prevents infection in that cohort.
karlkatzke 5y ago
Considering that the link is an anti-vaxxer, probably bias.

Is it possibly an unaccounted for side effect of the vaccine?

by hpoe 5y ago

Is it possibly an unaccounted for side effect of the vaccine?

baremetal 5y ago

you're gonna shatter a lot of peoples worldview with a statement like that.

b0tzzzzzzman 5y ago
We don't talk about that possibility.

generalizations 5y ago

It's exactly the demographic that's known to have elevated risk of myocardial problems due to the vaccine.

deleted 5y ago
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twoWhlsGud 5y ago
While I'm no expert, just a bit of Googling leads to suggestions that it's also the demographic showing a high (and therefore arguably much higher) incidence of heart inflammation after infection (e.g. from the American College of Cardiology recently): https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/articles/2021/09/28/18/07/covid-19-myocarditis-and-cardiac-mri-in-athletes https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/articles/2021/09/28... Note while no deaths were found in the studies, the fact that these small studies are finding inflammation common suggests the effect is much larger than the (very unusual) cases being intensively surveilled in the case of inoculation. (I.e. you find what you're looking for...)
- generalizations 5y ago
  That's only true if the populations are not being controlled for prior infection.

danielsju6 5y ago

Much more likely side-effects of COVID infection, no?

beaned 5y ago
Likely not: "Healthy boys may be more likely to be admitted to hospital with a rare side-effect of the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid vaccine that causes inflammation of the heart than with Covid itself, US researchers claim." https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-risk-from-pfizer-jab-side-effect-than-covid-suggests-study https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-r...
- Alex3917 5y ago
  Well if you have two groups, 100% of whom got the vaccine, versus 0.25% or whatever who got Covid, then sure that's not unlikely. But in a few years, 100% of those who don't get the vaccine will get covid. So this isn't exactly a rational basis for making decisions.
  - beaner 5y ago
    I don't believe the study is comparing absolute numbers, it's talking about risk on a per-individual level.
    - Alex3917 5y ago
      I didn't read the study, but the article talks about the number of cases during a four month period.
      - Vecr 5y ago
        That's about how long the Pfizer-BioNTech reliably prevents infection in that cohort.

karlkatzke 5y ago

Considering that the link is an anti-vaxxer, probably bias.