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Unless a declining population is good for future prosperity. If you force a continuation of replacement rate births or even growth, but most of those humans ar

Unless a declining population is good for future prosperity. If you force a continuation of replacement rate births or even growth, but most of those humans are economically worthless, you'll drag down your whole society.

matheusmoreira 5y ago
> Unless a declining population is good for future prosperity. It's good for the perpetuation of your nation. There is no nation without people. There is no people without natalism. > most of those humans are economically worthless Is economic value the only measure of a human being's worth? What a terrifying world we live in these days...
emodendroket 5y ago
I'd question the notion that there's much circumstance where most births would be "economically useless."
pcbro141 5y ago
I'm not talking solely about births (didn't even mention the birth rate), I'm saying for mental health/general thriving of society too. Kids raised in married 2 parent households are less likely to end up homeless, achieve better academically and earn more, have less depression/suicide rates etc. Literally every outcome is better for stable 2 parent homes. The decline of the 2 parent nuclear family means more kids will suffer. I don't really understand why it has to be either or. You can have your population decline if you want, but why does that have to mean single parent homes? Can't you raise your 1 or 2 kids in the context of marriage to give them a higher chance of a better outcome, and still have your population decline?
- nvarsj 5y ago
  Such statistics are misleading and it's a pet peeve when they are pulled out in discussions. You can't predict a child's outcome so simply. Both Obama and Clinton were raised by single parents. Such statistics are only on average. Yet so many conservatives use these kinds of statistics to shame and guilt single parents, and try to justify policies of discrimination against non traditional family structures.
williamtrask 5y ago
That’s an unnecessarily dark idea. There’s no requirement that widespread unhappiness is the driving force behind preventing overpopulation. Also the purpose of a human life is not economic output.

matheusmoreira 5y ago

> Unless a declining population is good for future prosperity. It's good for the perpetuation of your nation. There is no nation without people. There is no people without natalism. > most of those humans are economically worthless Is economic value the only measure of a human being's worth? What a terrifying world we live in these days...

emodendroket 5y ago

I'd question the notion that there's much circumstance where most births would be "economically useless."

pcbro141 5y ago

I'm not talking solely about births (didn't even mention the birth rate), I'm saying for mental health/general thriving of society too. Kids raised in married 2 parent households are less likely to end up homeless, achieve better academically and earn more, have less depression/suicide rates etc. Literally every outcome is better for stable 2 parent homes. The decline of the 2 parent nuclear family means more kids will suffer. I don't really understand why it has to be either or. You can have your population decline if you want, but why does that have to mean single parent homes? Can't you raise your 1 or 2 kids in the context of marriage to give them a higher chance of a better outcome, and still have your population decline?

nvarsj 5y ago
Such statistics are misleading and it's a pet peeve when they are pulled out in discussions. You can't predict a child's outcome so simply. Both Obama and Clinton were raised by single parents. Such statistics are only on average. Yet so many conservatives use these kinds of statistics to shame and guilt single parents, and try to justify policies of discrimination against non traditional family structures.

williamtrask 5y ago

That’s an unnecessarily dark idea. There’s no requirement that widespread unhappiness is the driving force behind preventing overpopulation. Also the purpose of a human life is not economic output.