In my state it's precisely the opposite - Medicare is horrible, they only pay 80% until you meet a deductible. Never mind the money - just the hassle of the pap

In my state it's precisely the opposite - Medicare is horrible, they only pay 80% until you meet a deductible. Never mind the money - just the hassle of the paperwork of paying all those bills will make anyone crazy. In contrast Medicaid is awesome - zero copay or deductible, just show up and use your insurance card. There is also Medicare Advantage, which actually is quite good - and it's private insurance that the government pays for. So maybe we don't need either "for all" programs, but rather a universal subsidy for people to buy their own insurance. > it doesn't pay providers enough to keep the lights on That's true about both Medicaid and Medicare, which is why neither will ever be offered to all, not without a salary cut to Doctors.