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Lithium does not have to come from strip mining: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20201124-how-geothermal-lithium-could-revolutionise-green-energy https://www

Lithium does not have to come from strip mining: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20201124-how-geothermal-lithium-could-revolutionise-green-energy https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20201124-how-geothermal-l... (And batteries can be recycled. Try recycling gasoline.) Mining does not necessarily burn oil: https://web.mit.edu/12.000/www/m2016/finalwebsite/solutions/greenmining.html https://web.mit.edu/12.000/www/m2016/finalwebsite/solutions/... Tires polluting more than exhaust is a myth. It's honestly surprising anyone believes this one: https://www.dcbel.energy/2021/08/24/myth-busted-lifetime-electric-vehicle-emissions-are-lower-than-gas-powered-models/ https://www.dcbel.energy/2021/08/24/myth-busted-lifetime-ele... (This one is doubly surprising, because gas cars have tires too. Even if tires were single-handedly melting glaciers, an EV would still be avoiding tailpipe emissions.) EVs are not perfect, but they are better - considerably better - which is why there's so much misinformation about them. The oil industry has enormously effective PR. Another thing to consider is how gasoline is transported around. Gas pipelines are possible but last mile delivery is inevitably a huge inefficient truck. Moving electricity is a solved problem - power lines have no emissions.

readflaggedcomm 5y ago
>Try recycling gasoline. Hydrocarbons can come from wood and other biomass, too. Woodgas is not unheard of. Plants feed on the bulk of emissions, if you need the cycle completed for you.
jatone 5y ago
the fact that people think tires matter in a comparison between EV and combustion engines is hilarious. 'these things both have tires, clearly EV is worse as a result.' facepalm
hilyen 5y ago
“ Tires polluting more than exhaust is a myth. ” Did you even read the blog post you just linked? I did and it clearly said a non tailpipe emissions were 4/5ths of the emissions. Also debel.energy is literally an energy company that has incentive to combat anything that’d hurt their potential profit.
- LeoPanthera 5y ago
  Let's assume that you're right, and that tires are the majority of automobile pollution. EVs still pollute less. I hope that's obvious.
  - gusgus01 5y ago
    Not sure if commenting here will alert the parent as well, but I believe that myth stems from the fact that tires create more PM (Particulate Matter) than exhaust. Exhaust of course emits much more CO2. The article discusses them separately and even mentions regenerative braking could help reduce PM, which would mean EV's could reduce both types of pollution.

readflaggedcomm 5y ago

>Try recycling gasoline. Hydrocarbons can come from wood and other biomass, too. Woodgas is not unheard of. Plants feed on the bulk of emissions, if you need the cycle completed for you.

jatone 5y ago

the fact that people think tires matter in a comparison between EV and combustion engines is hilarious. 'these things both have tires, clearly EV is worse as a result.' facepalm

hilyen 5y ago

“ Tires polluting more than exhaust is a myth. ” Did you even read the blog post you just linked? I did and it clearly said a non tailpipe emissions were 4/5ths of the emissions. Also debel.energy is literally an energy company that has incentive to combat anything that’d hurt their potential profit.

LeoPanthera 5y ago
Let's assume that you're right, and that tires are the majority of automobile pollution. EVs still pollute less. I hope that's obvious.
- gusgus01 5y ago
  Not sure if commenting here will alert the parent as well, but I believe that myth stems from the fact that tires create more PM (Particulate Matter) than exhaust. Exhaust of course emits much more CO2. The article discusses them separately and even mentions regenerative braking could help reduce PM, which would mean EV's could reduce both types of pollution.