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And plenty of self-hating Slavs/Easterners from former Soviet countries who don't realize that it's not the 1990's anymore as they've never been back. Hell, my

And plenty of self-hating Slavs/Easterners from former Soviet countries who don't realize that it's not the 1990's anymore as they've never been back. Hell, my SO left her home country because of a lack of economic opportunity; now we're moving to her home country because of better economic opportunity. Things change.

kspacewalk2 5y ago
Man, most Eastern Europe wishes it was the 1990s when it comes to Russian aggression, since it was mostly absent (aside from Moldova in 1992 and the ethnic cleansing of Georgian majority in Abkhazia in 1993, but that's not well known even in Eastern Europe). If ever there was a wrong decade to use in your comment.
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  Yes, I'm sure they all wish they were still in the largest recessionary/depressionary period in modern history. Things are much better now, objectively.
caskstrength 5y ago
> And plenty of self-hating Slavs/Easterners from former Soviet countries who don't realize that it's not the 1990's anymore as they've never been back. Ever heard about Ukraine? (or Moldova, or Georgia...) EDIT: Considering "learning Czech" in your profile, you might be interested in Russian military activity in Czech republic in recent times https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2021/04/26/how-gru-sabotage-and-assassination-operations-in-czechia-and-bulgaria-sought-to-undermine-ukraine/ https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2021/04/26/how...
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  > Ever heard about Ukraine? Considering half my family is Ukrainian, yes. I'm aware of many of the things happening in that part of the world, bad and good.
  - caskstrength 5y ago
    Then I guess either me or you misunderstanding OP's meaning in "I grew up in the Eastern Bloc, give me a break. It's tiring being patronized by wealthy liberal Americans continually arguing how Russia isn't really that bad.". It seems you understood is as "economic conditions in Russia (or Eastern Europe in general) are still very bad" but I think OP meant Russia's behavior on international stage.
    - Mikeb85 5y ago
      I understood it as they grew up in communism or the 90's. Left for greener pastures. Probably haven't returned to see things get better. I've seen the same attitude a lot with most immigrants from that region of a certain generation.
      - caskstrength 5y ago
        Yes, things definitely became much better economically in Eastern Europe, but I don't think OP was talking about that.
selfhoster11 5y ago
It's not the 90s any more, but it could be still the 1920s (the Polish-Soviet war), or the 1930s (the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact and the subsequent attack on Poland), or the 1940s (the communist regime being installed, with all decisions controlled from Moscow), or the 1970s (Poland being prepared to become a nuclear wasteland in case of a large NATO-Soviet confrontation, presumably against our national interest), or the 1980s (the Polish state of national emergency, imposed thanks to Soviet pressure), or the present day (where Russia and their satellites can threaten to turn off our natural gas taps for political reasons). In short, at least one country has legitimate reasons to never trust Russia. Since around 2011, Russia has not given a single reliable signal that it's about to change its colours, or that they got rid of the old military attitudes. Instead, they've been provoking as much as they want. IMO, economics are important, but national survival is also at stake here.
geoka9 5y ago
> it's not the 1990's anymore Russia has a much more sinister regime now.
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koonsolo 5y ago
You probably mean the ones that joined the EU. Take Ukraine for example, they are still fully in the "being invaded by Russia" situation.
c048 5y ago
Dude, people aren't referring to the 90's when they state how terrible the Russian regime was. It's the decades before that. The 90's started the rebuilding of most countries. The rebuild that was needed after the economic, infrastructural, intellectual and population destruction by the Russians. Why this needs to be pointed out to some people is just mind boggling.
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  That's when most left hence the reference. It's also not Soviet times either.

kspacewalk2 5y ago

Man, most Eastern Europe wishes it was the 1990s when it comes to Russian aggression, since it was mostly absent (aside from Moldova in 1992 and the ethnic cleansing of Georgian majority in Abkhazia in 1993, but that's not well known even in Eastern Europe). If ever there was a wrong decade to use in your comment.

Mikeb85 5y ago
Yes, I'm sure they all wish they were still in the largest recessionary/depressionary period in modern history. Things are much better now, objectively.

caskstrength 5y ago

> And plenty of self-hating Slavs/Easterners from former Soviet countries who don't realize that it's not the 1990's anymore as they've never been back. Ever heard about Ukraine? (or Moldova, or Georgia...) EDIT: Considering "learning Czech" in your profile, you might be interested in Russian military activity in Czech republic in recent times https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2021/04/26/how-gru-sabotage-and-assassination-operations-in-czechia-and-bulgaria-sought-to-undermine-ukraine/ https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2021/04/26/how...

Mikeb85 5y ago
> Ever heard about Ukraine? Considering half my family is Ukrainian, yes. I'm aware of many of the things happening in that part of the world, bad and good.
- caskstrength 5y ago
  Then I guess either me or you misunderstanding OP's meaning in "I grew up in the Eastern Bloc, give me a break. It's tiring being patronized by wealthy liberal Americans continually arguing how Russia isn't really that bad.". It seems you understood is as "economic conditions in Russia (or Eastern Europe in general) are still very bad" but I think OP meant Russia's behavior on international stage.
  - Mikeb85 5y ago
    I understood it as they grew up in communism or the 90's. Left for greener pastures. Probably haven't returned to see things get better. I've seen the same attitude a lot with most immigrants from that region of a certain generation.
    - caskstrength 5y ago
      Yes, things definitely became much better economically in Eastern Europe, but I don't think OP was talking about that.

selfhoster11 5y ago

It's not the 90s any more, but it could be still the 1920s (the Polish-Soviet war), or the 1930s (the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact and the subsequent attack on Poland), or the 1940s (the communist regime being installed, with all decisions controlled from Moscow), or the 1970s (Poland being prepared to become a nuclear wasteland in case of a large NATO-Soviet confrontation, presumably against our national interest), or the 1980s (the Polish state of national emergency, imposed thanks to Soviet pressure), or the present day (where Russia and their satellites can threaten to turn off our natural gas taps for political reasons). In short, at least one country has legitimate reasons to never trust Russia. Since around 2011, Russia has not given a single reliable signal that it's about to change its colours, or that they got rid of the old military attitudes. Instead, they've been provoking as much as they want. IMO, economics are important, but national survival is also at stake here.

geoka9 5y ago

> it's not the 1990's anymore Russia has a much more sinister regime now.

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koonsolo 5y ago

You probably mean the ones that joined the EU. Take Ukraine for example, they are still fully in the "being invaded by Russia" situation.

c048 5y ago

Dude, people aren't referring to the 90's when they state how terrible the Russian regime was. It's the decades before that. The 90's started the rebuilding of most countries. The rebuild that was needed after the economic, infrastructural, intellectual and population destruction by the Russians. Why this needs to be pointed out to some people is just mind boggling.

Mikeb85 5y ago
That's when most left hence the reference. It's also not Soviet times either.