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> I work in finance too and hate it. I'm not sure anywhere else would be better though. There are definitely better options than finance. I worked in finance (

> I work in finance too and hate it. I'm not sure anywhere else would be better though. There are definitely better options than finance. I worked in finance (investment banking) for years. Didn't like it either. The obvious next move is to a small/medium size fintech shop. Ideally one not encumbered by regulatory straight jackets and that is making a cool product. These can be more agile and responsive to customer needs and a lot of fun to work at.

giantg2 5y ago
I actually want more structured work. I work for a large company. They are being too "agile" (a poor implementation of Agile) and there is tons of context switching. I already feel too old to switch. I've basically given up and realized I have a job, not a career. I have no motivation.
- Pet_Ant 5y ago
  Welcome to the industry. That's just what it's like. The code is trivial, getting clear direction is the challenge. Just cash the cheques and get some hobbies.
  - giantg2 5y ago
    The checks aren't very good and it leaves little time for hobbies.
    - zaphar 5y ago
      Start interviewing. There are places out there where the pay is really good and you have time for hobbies. They may still have similar pathologies as other places but at least you'll have a life outside of work. You don't have to be stuck at a place that sucks everything out of you and gives nothing back.
      - giantg2 5y ago
        I've been looking, but not finding anything better. I've basically wasted the first 10 years of my "career".
muzani 5y ago
I work in finance and I absolutely love it. We're pretty big. Half the work is regulation, especially in places where corruption and crime is rampant. But we still get to make cool products. I think the trick is cutting down overhead because there's already so much friction inherent as it is. Management skill is essential, as every hour management buys for developers gives back good returns. Something like defensive programming is also a great return on investment as bugs just leads to more processes and chaos later.
- bradwood 5y ago
  Whilst management often sucks in big banks. What gets me down is the process drag. Everything is ITIL signoffs, death by bikeshedding, and quarterly releases. Silos abound and the pernicious affect of Conway's law applies to turn most of it into a massive cluster fuck of spaghetti and string. No thanks.

giantg2 5y ago

I actually want more structured work. I work for a large company. They are being too "agile" (a poor implementation of Agile) and there is tons of context switching. I already feel too old to switch. I've basically given up and realized I have a job, not a career. I have no motivation.

Pet_Ant 5y ago
Welcome to the industry. That's just what it's like. The code is trivial, getting clear direction is the challenge. Just cash the cheques and get some hobbies.
- giantg2 5y ago
  The checks aren't very good and it leaves little time for hobbies.
  - zaphar 5y ago
    Start interviewing. There are places out there where the pay is really good and you have time for hobbies. They may still have similar pathologies as other places but at least you'll have a life outside of work. You don't have to be stuck at a place that sucks everything out of you and gives nothing back.
    - giantg2 5y ago
      I've been looking, but not finding anything better. I've basically wasted the first 10 years of my "career".

muzani 5y ago

I work in finance and I absolutely love it. We're pretty big. Half the work is regulation, especially in places where corruption and crime is rampant. But we still get to make cool products. I think the trick is cutting down overhead because there's already so much friction inherent as it is. Management skill is essential, as every hour management buys for developers gives back good returns. Something like defensive programming is also a great return on investment as bugs just leads to more processes and chaos later.

bradwood 5y ago
Whilst management often sucks in big banks. What gets me down is the process drag. Everything is ITIL signoffs, death by bikeshedding, and quarterly releases. Silos abound and the pernicious affect of Conway's law applies to turn most of it into a massive cluster fuck of spaghetti and string. No thanks.