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> I truly don't understand why they'd do this. Spoken like a true westerner that doesn't quite grasp Russian brashness, recklessness, carelessness, and disrega
by dvt 5y ago
> I truly don't understand why they'd do this.
Spoken like a true westerner that doesn't quite grasp Russian brashness, recklessness, carelessness, and disregard for human life.
- tehjoker 5y agoThe west tried to blow up the van allen belts with a nuke in operation starfish prime. Give it a break. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_Prime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_Prime
- LargoLasskhyfv 5y agoNot to forget littering space with needles, some of which are still up there! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_West_Ford https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_West_Ford
- 1121redblackgo 5y agoIts worth noting that Starfish Prime happened in 1962. The Malaysia airlines flight, annexation of Crimea, election tampering, et al. happened in the 2010s.
- tehjoker 5y agoSubstantial election tampering has not ever been proven, only minor instances that are laughable compared to e.g. Bill Clinton helping install Boris Yeltsin in the 90s. I'm not aware that MA370 has a known cause of disappearance. Crimea is a symptom of western NATO expansion and the funding of the color revolution in the Ukraine. It's not pleasant, but imagine if China interfered in Mexico and blocked off the gulf, I imagine the US would invade.
- dvsfish 5y agoMA370 doesn't really have anything to do with the russians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 this however does.
- avmich 5y ago> Substantial election tampering has not ever been proven That's what Putin would say. We're not talking math here, so "proven" can be more subjective. > I'm not aware that MA370 has a known cause of disappearance. Same thing. "You can pee into his eyes, and he'll still say it's God's dew". Somebody just won't admit he's wrong, no matter what. Of course we're talking about the MA17. > Crimea is a symptom of western NATO expansion and the funding of the color revolution in the Ukraine. It's not pleasant, but imagine if China interfered in Mexico and blocked off the gulf, I imagine the US would invade. Exhibition A of whataboutism and propaganda of "imperialistic war mongering", Soviet style.
- dvt 5y agoI grew up in the Eastern Bloc, give me a break. It's tiring being patronized by wealthy liberal Americans continually arguing how Russia isn't really that bad.
- tehjoker 5y agoThen you should be well aware of the triteness of such accusations.
- boringg 5y agoI agree with you. There are certain parts of the US population that really don't understand what autocratic countries are really like or don't care. They seem to think the US is an autocracy or really close to it but have no real understanding. Its mind bending how daft those groups can be.
- Mikeb85 5y agoAnd plenty of self-hating Slavs/Easterners from former Soviet countries who don't realize that it's not the 1990's anymore as they've never been back. Hell, my SO left her home country because of a lack of economic opportunity; now we're moving to her home country because of better economic opportunity. Things change.
- kspacewalk2 5y agoMan, most Eastern Europe wishes it was the 1990s when it comes to Russian aggression, since it was mostly absent (aside from Moldova in 1992 and the ethnic cleansing of Georgian majority in Abkhazia in 1993, but that's not well known even in Eastern Europe). If ever there was a wrong decade to use in your comment.
- Mikeb85 5y agoYes, I'm sure they all wish they were still in the largest recessionary/depressionary period in modern history. Things are much better now, objectively.
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- panzagl 5y agoWe also filled an orbit with copper needles. But that was over 50 years ago, and we stopped doing it...
- Iefthandrule 5y agoRussia has literally won wars because the opposition underestimated how much Russia was willing to engage in scorched earth tactics.
- avmich 5y agoRussia - as a state - lost to its own part, Chechnya. It couldn't invade Ukraine as planned, splitting off "Malorossiya". 2021 isn't 2008, or even 2014. Nobody's going to fight like it's Great Fatherland War, no matter how many times "can repeat" is repeated.
- Iefthandrule 5y agoI was not referencing the invasion of Ukraine however.
- vbezhenar 5y agoChechen terrorists fought for independence. Chechnya is part of Russia, so Russia won that war. They did not plan to invade Ukraine, they planned to provide the conditions for fair voting in Crimea and they did that, which allowed for Crimea to join Russian Federation.
- baq 5y agodriving voters off the territory you plan to hold a vote on is a well known tactic for centuries at this point, as is getting your voters onto the territory you want annexed with a 'fair vote'.
- caskstrength 5y ago> They did not plan to invade Ukraine, they planned to provide the conditions for fair voting in Crimea and they did that, which allowed for Crimea to join Russian Federation. What is this brazen propaganda of Russian militarism doing on hn?!
- hungryforcodes 5y agoDon't even mention Afghanistan.
- jdavis703 5y agoThe US has a military advantage in space. I would expect China, India and now Russia to develop, test and brandish weapons to neutralize this advantage. (I write this as a pro-military American). If the US doesn’t want space further militarized we could take the symbolic action of dissolving the Space Force and take actual action to forge treaties that slow down the militarization of space.
- LogonType10 5y agoYou talk as if the space force was not late to the party. Space was already militarized before the space force was established. Russia, China, and others already have branches separate from army navy and air responsible for the space domain. China has been blowing shit up in space for over a decade. Other countries don't just ape whatever America does, sometimes America has to actually develop a credible deterrence to threats.
- jdavis703 5y agoLet the USAF handle space as it was doing before. It doesn’t need to be organized as the “Space Force.” This is saber rattling. Some multilateral diplomacy could help reduce the arms race.
- ashtonkem 5y agoI don’t see space force as saber rattling. They’re not doing anything that the USAF wasn’t already doing, it’s just a more logical separation of missions.
- pengaru 5y agoI got the distinct impression that Space Force was mostly a recruiting tool. Previously my assumption would have been pursue NASA if space flight is the passion, now there's very clearly a military branch to consider if that's more my bag. Plus there's more private sector options now as well...
- yupper32 5y agoProbably true. But it's more than that list. Specifically: It's completely against their interests if they still care about space.
- jabbany 5y agoI mean they care about it insofar as wanting to be either dominant (or at least be a power to reckon with) or making sure nobody can use it.