4 ms·

My M1 Max Pro from announcement day arrived last week. A month early from initial estimates. Shenzhen to Kentucky to west coast. No problem from my perspective

My M1 Max Pro from announcement day arrived last week. A month early from initial estimates. Shenzhen to Kentucky to west coast. No problem from my perspective.

londons_explore 5y ago
I'm really surprised Apple let Shenzhen, China show on the tracking. For a premium product, I would expect them to be focussing on the "Designed by Americans in America" bit of the message rather than the "Made in China".
- zitterbewegung 5y ago
  Its not their choice they use UPS for shipping which would tell you where the package is. Also, on the back of my iPad Pro 12.9 2021 it says "Designed by Apple in California Manufactured in China". Apple doesn't hide this point at all. The Mac Pro though is Manufactured in Texas domestically and outside of the US it is manufactured in China.
  - intricatedetail 5y ago
    You can't find that on the website in the product specs. It's only when you actually buy the product and physically inspect the labels. I know few people who thought they make it in California and were shocked it's actually made in China.
- JCharante 5y ago
  Would people be surprised? I think foxconn factory conditions which manufacturer apple products have been on the public conscious for several years.
- op00to 5y ago
  I’m confused - are you suggesting Apple somehow hide the fact that their products are made in China? Where else would the tracking indicate stops?
  - intricatedetail 5y ago
    https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-14-and-16/specs/ https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-14-and-16/specs/ It does not anywhere say it is made in China. Yes Apple is hiding this.
    - randomswede 5y ago
      The only thing said about he manufacture is "it's green". It does at least not misrepresent the location of manufacturing. These days, I would expect most consumers to assume "tech is made in China/Taiwan/Korea/Japan" unless explicitly stated otherwise.
    - katbyte 5y ago
      Neither does the Microsoft store for a surface? https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/d/surface-pro-7/8n17j0m5zzqs?activetab=techspecs https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/d/surface-pro-7/8n17j0m5zzqs... (Unless I’m missing it on mobile)
      - intricatedetail 5y ago
        Companies look what Apple can get away with and copy.
    - vmception 5y ago
      there is no requirement to put it on websites. there is a chinese requirement to put it on paper printed in china for export. are you ironically elevating Chinese rule of law over others while thinking its helping your American nationalist sentiment? wow, we have to go deeper
- gambiting 5y ago
  That's such a....weird? approach. Nationalistic almost. Chinese companies can make absolutely top quality stuff and my view on this has changed many years ago. I now own a Volvo built in Chengdou, China, and it's literally the most well build vehicle I ever owned, definitely better than any German car I've had(my previous Merc built in Germany creaked like a horse cart, this doesn't even make a peep from anywhere).
  - onethought 5y ago
    A lot of folks say the Chinese made Model 3s don’t have a the perennial panel gap and random quality issues the American made ones do. China are the boss of manufacturing these days.
- Animats 5y ago
  I'm really surprised Apple let Shenzhen, China show on the tracking. Why? The reality is that Apple is reselling a Foxconn product made in Shenzhen.
  - Animats 5y ago
    (Amusingly, the standard Apple comment pattern appears. About 30 minutes after criticism, the comment is voted down. Over the next day or so, it will probably go up a bit. This is consistent enough to be worth examining.)
  - kortilla 5y ago
    “Reselling a Foxconn product” is about as stupid as saying Foxconn is reselling a Rio Tinto product.
- cwwc 5y ago
  It’s odd — but I’ve noticed that among premium menswear brands (at least premium to me) like Taylor Stitch, Relwen, etc, made in China is now a mark of quality — because the factories in Vietnam and Bangladesh can whip stuff out, but they can’t do more complex quality finishes (think gussets, fully bound interior zipper taping, welting, quilt through stitching, etc). Random. But curious to see if this will become more common (or remain relegated to specialized, small brands) https://relwen.com/pages/hallmarks https://relwen.com/pages/hallmarks For reference.
- vmception 5y ago
  They do say that about design because that isn't the same word as "made/manufactured" :) The whole game is to play every country's people and their political instrument. From my perspective, it is easier the more nationalist they are, and both China and the US have very nationalist people. So stamp "made in china" on anything printed on paper, as required there, and stamp "designed in california" on things engraved in metal and then overcharge for it because Americans already suspect something domestic would be more expensive.
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  "I'm really surprised Apple let Shenzhen, China show on the tracking." You are surprised they don't engage in (possibly fraudulent) deception of their customer? Should they?
  - londons_explore 5y ago
    Well I would expect it to just say:. "Current location:. Manufacturing site"

My M1 Max Pro from announcement day arrived last week. A month early from initial estimates. Shenzhen to Kentucky to west coast. No problem from my perspective.

londons_explore 5y ago

I'm really surprised Apple let Shenzhen, China show on the tracking. For a premium product, I would expect them to be focussing on the "Designed by Americans in America" bit of the message rather than the "Made in China".

zitterbewegung 5y ago
Its not their choice they use UPS for shipping which would tell you where the package is. Also, on the back of my iPad Pro 12.9 2021 it says "Designed by Apple in California Manufactured in China". Apple doesn't hide this point at all. The Mac Pro though is Manufactured in Texas domestically and outside of the US it is manufactured in China.
- intricatedetail 5y ago
  You can't find that on the website in the product specs. It's only when you actually buy the product and physically inspect the labels. I know few people who thought they make it in California and were shocked it's actually made in China.
JCharante 5y ago
Would people be surprised? I think foxconn factory conditions which manufacturer apple products have been on the public conscious for several years.
op00to 5y ago
I’m confused - are you suggesting Apple somehow hide the fact that their products are made in China? Where else would the tracking indicate stops?
- intricatedetail 5y ago
  https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-14-and-16/specs/ https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-14-and-16/specs/ It does not anywhere say it is made in China. Yes Apple is hiding this.
  - randomswede 5y ago
    The only thing said about he manufacture is "it's green". It does at least not misrepresent the location of manufacturing. These days, I would expect most consumers to assume "tech is made in China/Taiwan/Korea/Japan" unless explicitly stated otherwise.
  - katbyte 5y ago
    Neither does the Microsoft store for a surface? https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/d/surface-pro-7/8n17j0m5zzqs?activetab=techspecs https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/d/surface-pro-7/8n17j0m5zzqs... (Unless I’m missing it on mobile)
    - intricatedetail 5y ago
      Companies look what Apple can get away with and copy.
  - vmception 5y ago
    there is no requirement to put it on websites. there is a chinese requirement to put it on paper printed in china for export. are you ironically elevating Chinese rule of law over others while thinking its helping your American nationalist sentiment? wow, we have to go deeper
gambiting 5y ago
That's such a....weird? approach. Nationalistic almost. Chinese companies can make absolutely top quality stuff and my view on this has changed many years ago. I now own a Volvo built in Chengdou, China, and it's literally the most well build vehicle I ever owned, definitely better than any German car I've had(my previous Merc built in Germany creaked like a horse cart, this doesn't even make a peep from anywhere).
- onethought 5y ago
  A lot of folks say the Chinese made Model 3s don’t have a the perennial panel gap and random quality issues the American made ones do. China are the boss of manufacturing these days.
Animats 5y ago
I'm really surprised Apple let Shenzhen, China show on the tracking. Why? The reality is that Apple is reselling a Foxconn product made in Shenzhen.
- Animats 5y ago
  (Amusingly, the standard Apple comment pattern appears. About 30 minutes after criticism, the comment is voted down. Over the next day or so, it will probably go up a bit. This is consistent enough to be worth examining.)
- kortilla 5y ago
  “Reselling a Foxconn product” is about as stupid as saying Foxconn is reselling a Rio Tinto product.
cwwc 5y ago
It’s odd — but I’ve noticed that among premium menswear brands (at least premium to me) like Taylor Stitch, Relwen, etc, made in China is now a mark of quality — because the factories in Vietnam and Bangladesh can whip stuff out, but they can’t do more complex quality finishes (think gussets, fully bound interior zipper taping, welting, quilt through stitching, etc). Random. But curious to see if this will become more common (or remain relegated to specialized, small brands) https://relwen.com/pages/hallmarks https://relwen.com/pages/hallmarks For reference.
vmception 5y ago
They do say that about design because that isn't the same word as "made/manufactured" :) The whole game is to play every country's people and their political instrument. From my perspective, it is easier the more nationalist they are, and both China and the US have very nationalist people. So stamp "made in china" on anything printed on paper, as required there, and stamp "designed in california" on things engraved in metal and then overcharge for it because Americans already suspect something domestic would be more expensive.
ClumsyPilot 5y ago
"I'm really surprised Apple let Shenzhen, China show on the tracking." You are surprised they don't engage in (possibly fraudulent) deception of their customer? Should they?
- londons_explore 5y ago
  Well I would expect it to just say:. "Current location:. Manufacturing site"