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What is an assault rifle?

by 0des 5y ago

Eelongate 5y ago
I know you're being rhetorical, but since some may not actually know: If we're being pedantic: A machine-gun with a box magazine, chambered for an intermediate rifle cartridge. Rittenhouse's rifle only had two of those three characteristics. Some would have you believe the missing characteristic (being a machine-gun) is unimportant, yet that's the characteristic with the most stringent federal regulation. If we're being emotive: Any rifle that looks 'assaulty'. Obviously this is extremely subjective. It's possible to construct an assault rifle that fulfills the pedantic definition but lacks the 'assaulty' aesthetic.
ryantgtg 5y ago
It’s a really big rifle. Next question.
- remarkEon 5y ago
  It's not. Most hunting rifles for e.g. deer rifles fire larger caliber rounds than the rifle in question in the case. Perhaps you're being sarcastic, but "big" does not necessarily mean "more deadly", nor does "big" actually apply to this rifle.
  - 0des 5y ago
    Thank you for the reply! While I have the chance, allow me one last question: When it comes to AR15 platform, what differentiates a pistol from a rifle?
    - remarkEon 5y ago
      Disclaimer: I own a few guns and am an Army vet, but this is just my current understanding. I recommend consulting the ATF guidelines yourself and/or your local sheriff's office since rules tend to vary by state and jurisdiction. The ATF makes these rules, and currently (my understanding, haven't looked in a while to see if anything changed with the new administration) an AR pistol is something that's less than 26" overall with a barrel of less than 16". There's also rules about how you can't put an actual buttstock on it (but you can put a "brace" ... the definition of which can be confusing). Anything shorter than that and does have an actual stuck is an SBR (short-barrel rifle) and you need an ATF tax stamp for that.
      - 0des 5y ago
        I appreciate your time to explain that, thanks. I'm now off on a journey to find the exact line between what is a brace and what is a stock! Take care, my friend.
  - ryantgtg 5y ago
    Thank you for the explanation (genuinely). I wasn't exactly being sarcastic, though - my interest is in the messaging that this gun carries when wielding it in a urban environment during a riot.
    - remarkEon 5y ago
      That isn't relevant to the case, but I understand what you're getting at.
    - dahfizz 5y ago
      > my interest is in the messaging that this gun carries when wielding it in a urban environment during a riot. Yeah, exactly. ""Assault"" rifles are defined entirely by your emotional response to seeing it. It's a concept invented by the media.
      - remarkEon 5y ago
        I wouldn't say the concept was "invented" by the media, but it does have a swirling personality around it that feels that way. Obviously I am biased, but "assault" to me always meant the rifle has ergonomic enhancements that make it safer to employ since you can better control recoil, among other things. That's ... not exactly something you'll hear on CNN.
    - cbozeman 5y ago
      > the messaging that this gun carries when wielding it in a urban environment during a riot. The "messaging"?? The only thing wrong with the "messaging" was that every single citizen of Kenosha didn't show up with AR-15s to ensure all of the out-of-towners weren't able to burn down anything, or try to assault anyone. If you can spend time to riot, you can spend time filling out resumes for a job. I don't have time to fucking riot... I'm too busy working. These people should have been too. You wanna make the world better for people? Tell them to stop committing sexual assault and stealing people's SUVs. If Jacob Blake hadn't been doing those things, he wouldn't have had a warrant out for his arrest, he wouldn't have been shot for trying to go for his knife, Kenosha wouldn't have had rioting, Joseph Kiddiediddler and Dumbshit Skaterboi would still be alive, the prosecution's star witness would still have his bicep, and Kyle Rittenhouse wouldn't be in this mess. Amazing how two people had to die, and two others had their lives ruined, and we had hundreds of thousands of dollars in property damage, all because a black man in Kenosha thinks he doesn't have to obey the law, only to find out very dramatically that he will in fact obey the law. It's almost like obeying society's law results in a harmonious society!
HideousKojima 5y ago
To answer your lower question since I can't respond directly, the legal difference between a rifle and pistol is pretty much only barrel length. Overall length also matters, and whether or not the AR "started out" (at manufacture) as a rifle or pistol determine if it becomes a "short barreled rifle" after certain modifications, but that's getting into the inane and nonsensical world of ATF regulations. As far as what an assault rifle is, it's basically a rifle capable of burst fire or automatic fire (it's a bit more complicated than that but that's the basic idea). Rittenhouse's AR (and virtually all civilian owned firearms for that matter) are not capable of burst or automatic fire and are not assault rifles.
- curryst 5y ago
  > To answer your lower question since I can't respond directly, the legal difference between a rifle and pistol is pretty much only barrel length. This is only half-true. The difference between a pistol and a rifle is whether it has a stock. The difference between a normal rifle and a short-barreled rifle is whether the barrel is 16" or not. I'm not saying it makes more sense, but that is the classification the ATF uses. Never put a stock on any weapon with less than a 16" barrel, unless you're really, really, really sure you fall under some kind of exemption (i.e. that might not apply to black powder weapons).

What is an assault rifle?

by 0des 5y ago

What is an assault rifle?

I know you're being rhetorical, but since some may not actually know: If we're being pedantic: A machine-gun with a box magazine, chambered for an intermediate rifle cartridge. Rittenhouse's rifle only had two of those three characteristics. Some would have you believe the missing characteristic (being a machine-gun) is unimportant, yet that's the characteristic with the most stringent federal regulation. If we're being emotive: Any rifle that looks 'assaulty'. Obviously this is extremely subjective. It's possible to construct an assault rifle that fulfills the pedantic definition but lacks the 'assaulty' aesthetic.

ryantgtg 5y ago

It’s a really big rifle. Next question.

remarkEon 5y ago
It's not. Most hunting rifles for e.g. deer rifles fire larger caliber rounds than the rifle in question in the case. Perhaps you're being sarcastic, but "big" does not necessarily mean "more deadly", nor does "big" actually apply to this rifle.
- 0des 5y ago
  Thank you for the reply! While I have the chance, allow me one last question: When it comes to AR15 platform, what differentiates a pistol from a rifle?
  - remarkEon 5y ago
    Disclaimer: I own a few guns and am an Army vet, but this is just my current understanding. I recommend consulting the ATF guidelines yourself and/or your local sheriff's office since rules tend to vary by state and jurisdiction. The ATF makes these rules, and currently (my understanding, haven't looked in a while to see if anything changed with the new administration) an AR pistol is something that's less than 26" overall with a barrel of less than 16". There's also rules about how you can't put an actual buttstock on it (but you can put a "brace" ... the definition of which can be confusing). Anything shorter than that and does have an actual stuck is an SBR (short-barrel rifle) and you need an ATF tax stamp for that.
    - 0des 5y ago
      I appreciate your time to explain that, thanks. I'm now off on a journey to find the exact line between what is a brace and what is a stock! Take care, my friend.
- ryantgtg 5y ago
  Thank you for the explanation (genuinely). I wasn't exactly being sarcastic, though - my interest is in the messaging that this gun carries when wielding it in a urban environment during a riot.
  - remarkEon 5y ago
    That isn't relevant to the case, but I understand what you're getting at.
  - dahfizz 5y ago
    > my interest is in the messaging that this gun carries when wielding it in a urban environment during a riot. Yeah, exactly. ""Assault"" rifles are defined entirely by your emotional response to seeing it. It's a concept invented by the media.
    - remarkEon 5y ago
      I wouldn't say the concept was "invented" by the media, but it does have a swirling personality around it that feels that way. Obviously I am biased, but "assault" to me always meant the rifle has ergonomic enhancements that make it safer to employ since you can better control recoil, among other things. That's ... not exactly something you'll hear on CNN.
  - cbozeman 5y ago
    > the messaging that this gun carries when wielding it in a urban environment during a riot. The "messaging"?? The only thing wrong with the "messaging" was that every single citizen of Kenosha didn't show up with AR-15s to ensure all of the out-of-towners weren't able to burn down anything, or try to assault anyone. If you can spend time to riot, you can spend time filling out resumes for a job. I don't have time to fucking riot... I'm too busy working. These people should have been too. You wanna make the world better for people? Tell them to stop committing sexual assault and stealing people's SUVs. If Jacob Blake hadn't been doing those things, he wouldn't have had a warrant out for his arrest, he wouldn't have been shot for trying to go for his knife, Kenosha wouldn't have had rioting, Joseph Kiddiediddler and Dumbshit Skaterboi would still be alive, the prosecution's star witness would still have his bicep, and Kyle Rittenhouse wouldn't be in this mess. Amazing how two people had to die, and two others had their lives ruined, and we had hundreds of thousands of dollars in property damage, all because a black man in Kenosha thinks he doesn't have to obey the law, only to find out very dramatically that he will in fact obey the law. It's almost like obeying society's law results in a harmonious society!

HideousKojima 5y ago

To answer your lower question since I can't respond directly, the legal difference between a rifle and pistol is pretty much only barrel length. Overall length also matters, and whether or not the AR "started out" (at manufacture) as a rifle or pistol determine if it becomes a "short barreled rifle" after certain modifications, but that's getting into the inane and nonsensical world of ATF regulations. As far as what an assault rifle is, it's basically a rifle capable of burst fire or automatic fire (it's a bit more complicated than that but that's the basic idea). Rittenhouse's AR (and virtually all civilian owned firearms for that matter) are not capable of burst or automatic fire and are not assault rifles.

curryst 5y ago
> To answer your lower question since I can't respond directly, the legal difference between a rifle and pistol is pretty much only barrel length. This is only half-true. The difference between a pistol and a rifle is whether it has a stock. The difference between a normal rifle and a short-barreled rifle is whether the barrel is 16" or not. I'm not saying it makes more sense, but that is the classification the ATF uses. Never put a stock on any weapon with less than a 16" barrel, unless you're really, really, really sure you fall under some kind of exemption (i.e. that might not apply to black powder weapons).