> people have full control over having children I disagree. There are plenty of people without access to birth control, abortion, or even proper sexual educati

> people have full control over having children I disagree. There are plenty of people without access to birth control, abortion, or even proper sexual education in the US. I've spoken with so many people who are at once against sex ed, abortion, contraception and parental benefits. That is wanting to have your cake and eat it, too. Without the first three you're going to need the last one. Not everyone has a good familial or social safety net. Not everyone is independently wealthy. Exceedingly few can live completely pastorally. It's like asking for a software product fast, cheap and high quality. Pick two. Same with society: you can have a healthy, free and educated populace, able to fulfill personal/social obligations (ie child rearing, taking care of aging parents, building lasting friendships), and/or working at peak economic production/efficiency. But I doubt you can have all three at the same time without massive subsidization or regulation. An individual's time and resources spent on one are the opportunity cost of the others. I'd be interested to know counterexamples of societies that were able to achieve all three.