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As much as I love seeing competition in the space and am enjoying my popcorn, I really don't understand what Databricks is doing here: this feels like a childis

As much as I love seeing competition in the space and am enjoying my popcorn, I really don't understand what Databricks is doing here: this feels like a childish foodfight rather than an obsession with the customer...

kf6nux 5y ago
I'd say helping customers spot fraud* is serving the customers' interests. * I haven't executed the test suite, but fraud seems likely.
cai22r 5y ago
insert gif: he started it
jjoonathan 5y ago
All publicity is good publicity. Both participants in a fight can win by implicitly excluding their real competitors.
s_barrow1 5y ago
Databricks is not known for the SQL/DW space. The original blog was focused on breaking the TPC-DS performance record and provide validation of the Lakehouse architecture. DB didn't ask for a war of words with Snowflake - SF dedicated a whole response stating DB lacked integrity and filled it with false and misleading information. I commend DB for responding back (only because of the integrity accusations). Snowflake has asked for this response by acting petty from the outset
saj1th 5y ago
:) That is a good question. Why spend eng cycles to submit results to the TPC council - why not just focus on customers? I believe the co-founders have addressed this in the blog. > Our goal was to dispel the myth that Data Lakehouse cannot have best-in-class price and performance. Rather than making our own benchmarks, we sought the truth and participated in the official TPC benchmark. I'm sure anybody seriously looking at evaluating data platforms would want to look at things holistically. There are different dimensions like open ecosystem, support for machine learning, performance etc. And different teams evaluating these platforms would stack rank them in different orders. These blogs, I believe, show that Databricks is a viable choice for customers when performance is a top priority (along with other dimensions). That IMO is customer obsession.
glogla 5y ago
Yes, the tone of those blogposts, the likelihood of fake benchmarks submitted on someone else's behalf and especially the deluge of new accounts supporting them makes me want to trust Databricks even less than the PoC my company ran with them last year and spending time with their terrible, terrible salespeople. EDIT: I forgot lying about how open they are when all their interesting technologies (like the new sql engine and the good parts of delta) are proprietary.
- mostdataisnice 5y ago
  What fake benchmarks are you talking about?
vgt 5y ago
I think Snowflake cultivates a very careful public image, but in private their sales people use.. how do you say.. aggressive techniques.. databricks is addressing the source of market confusion head-on

kf6nux 5y ago

I'd say helping customers spot fraud* is serving the customers' interests. * I haven't executed the test suite, but fraud seems likely.

cai22r 5y ago

insert gif: he started it

jjoonathan 5y ago

All publicity is good publicity. Both participants in a fight can win by implicitly excluding their real competitors.

s_barrow1 5y ago

Databricks is not known for the SQL/DW space. The original blog was focused on breaking the TPC-DS performance record and provide validation of the Lakehouse architecture. DB didn't ask for a war of words with Snowflake - SF dedicated a whole response stating DB lacked integrity and filled it with false and misleading information. I commend DB for responding back (only because of the integrity accusations). Snowflake has asked for this response by acting petty from the outset

saj1th 5y ago

:) That is a good question. Why spend eng cycles to submit results to the TPC council - why not just focus on customers? I believe the co-founders have addressed this in the blog. > Our goal was to dispel the myth that Data Lakehouse cannot have best-in-class price and performance. Rather than making our own benchmarks, we sought the truth and participated in the official TPC benchmark. I'm sure anybody seriously looking at evaluating data platforms would want to look at things holistically. There are different dimensions like open ecosystem, support for machine learning, performance etc. And different teams evaluating these platforms would stack rank them in different orders. These blogs, I believe, show that Databricks is a viable choice for customers when performance is a top priority (along with other dimensions). That IMO is customer obsession.

glogla 5y ago

Yes, the tone of those blogposts, the likelihood of fake benchmarks submitted on someone else's behalf and especially the deluge of new accounts supporting them makes me want to trust Databricks even less than the PoC my company ran with them last year and spending time with their terrible, terrible salespeople. EDIT: I forgot lying about how open they are when all their interesting technologies (like the new sql engine and the good parts of delta) are proprietary.

mostdataisnice 5y ago
What fake benchmarks are you talking about?

vgt 5y ago

I think Snowflake cultivates a very careful public image, but in private their sales people use.. how do you say.. aggressive techniques.. databricks is addressing the source of market confusion head-on