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doubt. Over the last 6 years there have been toooooo many coincidences which go in 1 direction politically instead of equally in both directions. You only nee

doubt. Over the last 6 years there have been toooooo many coincidences which go in 1 direction politically instead of equally in both directions. You only need to flip a coin 5-6 times before you suspect it might be rigged... and after 100's of tosses there is no longer any question.

shadowgovt 5y ago
I'm not sure what the directions are as relates to dropping signal on the Rittenhouse trial.
r00fus 5y ago
You are comparing YouTube policing their platform to a a coin flip? YT isn't a public service.
- Natsu 5y ago
  They're gesturing at the argument that was famously made in the 2016 movie Denial. In that, a Holocaust denier has filed a defamation lawsuit against a Jewish professor. Under UK law, she bears the burden of proof. When they later confront the denier, they point out that he makes many historical mistakes and every single one of them favors the Nazis and/or Hitler. They then compare this to a rigged coin. If he were being honest and doing history wrong, then some of his mistakes should've gone either way, but the fact that his mistakes are substantially in one direction shows evidence of bias. Denial is a great film, I recommend it.
  - r00fus 5y ago
    Thanks for the background. Fascinating analogy that YouTube is allegedly equivalent to a holocaust denier by removing streams in a biased manner.
    - Natsu 5y ago
      It's funny because I was discussing this just the other day wishing there was a better way to address that fact pattern--a history of biased decisions--without dragging irrelevant and inflammatory stuff into the mix. Sadly, nobody in that discussion could quite find a good way to reference it without the inflammatory bits at the time.
yuliyp 5y ago
There have been many things which go into many directions. However, your social circle provides a biased sample of that to you. I don't actually know which political direction you're arguing is being victimized. But a biased sample will lead people on both sides to feel like they're the victims since that's what they see more of.
shuntress 5y ago
This is a false equivalency and willful ignorance of the Overton window. "Reality has a well known liberal bias" If heads & tails are left & right and the edge is far right extremism, it's not a "coincidence" that these "coin tosses" go in "1 direction politically instead of equally in both directions" when "1 direction" is left or right and the other "direction" is far right extremism
- Jensson 5y ago
  > "Reality has a well known liberal bias" Yes, but not "American liberal bias". American liberal identity politics is mostly not on the side of reality, and that is like half their platform. It isn't liberal either so the statement isn't technically wrong, but since your statement was made by American liberals I'll assume you think it is. I do support many of the things American liberals wants to do since I do support a balanced mix of freedom and guard rails, but I still think they are very wrong about around half the things they talk about. So "reality has a well known American liberal bias" only works if you have a biased view of reality. And to be on topic, the Kyle Rittenhouse trial is very much an identity politics topic, and in that topic reality is not on the American liberal side. Lots of people will of course argue otherwise, just like how lots of American republicans will argue that human caused climate change isn't a thing, but reality doesn't seem to agree with those two groups.
space_fountain 5y ago
I think this might be your selection bias. I personally often see creators complaining about their views being censored regardless of political stripe. I think it's easy for the anecdotes we're exposed to feel like statistics, but remember we don't have the full story and the media we're consuming goes a long way towards the stories we hear

shadowgovt 5y ago

I'm not sure what the directions are as relates to dropping signal on the Rittenhouse trial.

r00fus 5y ago

You are comparing YouTube policing their platform to a a coin flip? YT isn't a public service.

Natsu 5y ago
They're gesturing at the argument that was famously made in the 2016 movie Denial. In that, a Holocaust denier has filed a defamation lawsuit against a Jewish professor. Under UK law, she bears the burden of proof. When they later confront the denier, they point out that he makes many historical mistakes and every single one of them favors the Nazis and/or Hitler. They then compare this to a rigged coin. If he were being honest and doing history wrong, then some of his mistakes should've gone either way, but the fact that his mistakes are substantially in one direction shows evidence of bias. Denial is a great film, I recommend it.
- r00fus 5y ago
  Thanks for the background. Fascinating analogy that YouTube is allegedly equivalent to a holocaust denier by removing streams in a biased manner.
  - Natsu 5y ago
    It's funny because I was discussing this just the other day wishing there was a better way to address that fact pattern--a history of biased decisions--without dragging irrelevant and inflammatory stuff into the mix. Sadly, nobody in that discussion could quite find a good way to reference it without the inflammatory bits at the time.

yuliyp 5y ago

There have been many things which go into many directions. However, your social circle provides a biased sample of that to you. I don't actually know which political direction you're arguing is being victimized. But a biased sample will lead people on both sides to feel like they're the victims since that's what they see more of.

shuntress 5y ago

This is a false equivalency and willful ignorance of the Overton window. "Reality has a well known liberal bias" If heads & tails are left & right and the edge is far right extremism, it's not a "coincidence" that these "coin tosses" go in "1 direction politically instead of equally in both directions" when "1 direction" is left or right and the other "direction" is far right extremism

Jensson 5y ago
> "Reality has a well known liberal bias" Yes, but not "American liberal bias". American liberal identity politics is mostly not on the side of reality, and that is like half their platform. It isn't liberal either so the statement isn't technically wrong, but since your statement was made by American liberals I'll assume you think it is. I do support many of the things American liberals wants to do since I do support a balanced mix of freedom and guard rails, but I still think they are very wrong about around half the things they talk about. So "reality has a well known American liberal bias" only works if you have a biased view of reality. And to be on topic, the Kyle Rittenhouse trial is very much an identity politics topic, and in that topic reality is not on the American liberal side. Lots of people will of course argue otherwise, just like how lots of American republicans will argue that human caused climate change isn't a thing, but reality doesn't seem to agree with those two groups.

space_fountain 5y ago

I think this might be your selection bias. I personally often see creators complaining about their views being censored regardless of political stripe. I think it's easy for the anecdotes we're exposed to feel like statistics, but remember we don't have the full story and the media we're consuming goes a long way towards the stories we hear