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Thank you! :) The fact that most people ask “Why shouldn't I use alternative <x> instead?” means that I need to improve my README file to show better why QWERT

Thank you! :) The fact that most people ask “Why shouldn't I use alternative <x> instead?” means that I need to improve my README file to show better why QWERTY-fr is truly different from all the other keyboard layouts, and what makes it stick out! Colloquially, I already planned to update the website[1] with a tutorial guiding the user step by step through the philosophy. Hopefully this will help users understand its value proposition! [1] https://qwerty-fr.org https://qwerty-fr.org — With regards to the different standards, I agree that French people tend to reinvent the wheel. I have nothing against that but the big issue is that they never look well at the previous attempts, which leads to crappy alternative standards. This project aims to reinvent the wheel but in a good way! I plan to get this keyboard layout standardized by a standardization organization once it's stable. It should help adoption because I could then convince OS maintainers to add it as an available layout. :)

laurent123456 5y ago
> With regards to the different standards, I agree that French people tend to reinvent the wheel. I have nothing against that but the big issue is that they never look well at the previous attempts Well not everything as to be from America and in English language. Different attempts are made in different countries and it's true that US attempts tend to stick, not necessarily because they are superior, but because of the general US influence. It's true that AZERTY is an annoying layout but only because everything is made as if the only existing layout was QWERTY.
csdvrx 5y ago
> I agree that French people tend to reinvent the wheel. If their wheel is better, why not? > I have nothing against that but the big issue is that they never look well at the previous attempts, which leads to crappy alternative standards. This project aims to reinvent the wheel but in a good way! Great answer, I totally agree!! I wish you a lot of luck, as I'm a bit irked to have to provide support for weird keyboards! (I hope someone from Germany will do as you did so QWERTZ can also die :-) > I plan to get this keyboard layout standardized by a standardization organization once it's stable. Even better! Using standards is a great way to work around many issues. One last thing: if I may suggest, you should replace the default picture by one with fewer characters: the german β, the spanish Ñ, and the scandinavian character (oslash, ae) may be nice to have, but they may play against you: French users may see them as irrelevant, and cluttering the keyboard. Trim everything you can, to only have as little extra characters as necessary to support french. For similar reasons, you may want to unify the blue and the red overlays. I've figured out that the right Alt did toggle the blue overlay, but I still don't understand how to get the red one. Given that blue and red do not coexist on any key, merging the red keys into the blue overlay may be for the better: you want what you offer to be extremely clear and simple to understand
- hnarn 5y ago
  > the scandinavian character (oslash, ae) may be nice to have Those are Danish or Norwegian characters, they are not "the Scandinavian characters" as they are not used in Sweden (using ö/ä).
- noname120 5y ago
  > One last thing: if I may suggest, you should replace the default picture by one with fewer characters: the german β, the spanish Ñ, and the scandinavian character (oslash, ae) may be nice to have, but they may play against you: French users may see them as irrelevant, and cluttering the keyboard. This is a very good suggestion! I should definitely show a simplified screenshot, and only introduce the extra characters in an advanced section. This should make it look less overwhelming. > For similar reasons, you may want to unify the blue and the red overlays. I've figured out that the right Alt did toggle the blue overlay, but I still don't understand how to get the red one. For other readers, you're referring to https://qwerty-fr.org/ https://qwerty-fr.org/. Blue means that it's accessible with AltGr, and red means that the key is a dead key. In a nutshell: – Lower left corner: no modifier. – Upper left corner: Shift. – Lower right corner: AltGr. – Upper right corner: AltGr + Shift. I agree that this is confusing, especially since the keyboard widget doesn't highlight the layer when you press e.g. AltGr + Shift so it's hard to know what's going to happen.
  - csdvrx 5y ago
    Oh, I see! What about you replace red by purple or some darker shade of blue? Given the difference in color, I thought it was a separate layer activated by another key!!!
    - noname120 5y ago
      This would help readability a lot! This widget I'm using is x-keyboard[1]. It has several shortcomings (including the one you mentioned). I'm trying to get in touch with the author to see if they are still interested in maintaining it, otherwise I'll do a fork. [1] https://github.com/fabi1cazenave/x-keyboard https://github.com/fabi1cazenave/x-keyboard

laurent123456 5y ago

> With regards to the different standards, I agree that French people tend to reinvent the wheel. I have nothing against that but the big issue is that they never look well at the previous attempts Well not everything as to be from America and in English language. Different attempts are made in different countries and it's true that US attempts tend to stick, not necessarily because they are superior, but because of the general US influence. It's true that AZERTY is an annoying layout but only because everything is made as if the only existing layout was QWERTY.

csdvrx 5y ago

> I agree that French people tend to reinvent the wheel. If their wheel is better, why not? > I have nothing against that but the big issue is that they never look well at the previous attempts, which leads to crappy alternative standards. This project aims to reinvent the wheel but in a good way! Great answer, I totally agree!! I wish you a lot of luck, as I'm a bit irked to have to provide support for weird keyboards! (I hope someone from Germany will do as you did so QWERTZ can also die :-) > I plan to get this keyboard layout standardized by a standardization organization once it's stable. Even better! Using standards is a great way to work around many issues. One last thing: if I may suggest, you should replace the default picture by one with fewer characters: the german β, the spanish Ñ, and the scandinavian character (oslash, ae) may be nice to have, but they may play against you: French users may see them as irrelevant, and cluttering the keyboard. Trim everything you can, to only have as little extra characters as necessary to support french. For similar reasons, you may want to unify the blue and the red overlays. I've figured out that the right Alt did toggle the blue overlay, but I still don't understand how to get the red one. Given that blue and red do not coexist on any key, merging the red keys into the blue overlay may be for the better: you want what you offer to be extremely clear and simple to understand

hnarn 5y ago
> the scandinavian character (oslash, ae) may be nice to have Those are Danish or Norwegian characters, they are not "the Scandinavian characters" as they are not used in Sweden (using ö/ä).
noname120 5y ago
> One last thing: if I may suggest, you should replace the default picture by one with fewer characters: the german β, the spanish Ñ, and the scandinavian character (oslash, ae) may be nice to have, but they may play against you: French users may see them as irrelevant, and cluttering the keyboard. This is a very good suggestion! I should definitely show a simplified screenshot, and only introduce the extra characters in an advanced section. This should make it look less overwhelming. > For similar reasons, you may want to unify the blue and the red overlays. I've figured out that the right Alt did toggle the blue overlay, but I still don't understand how to get the red one. For other readers, you're referring to https://qwerty-fr.org/ https://qwerty-fr.org/. Blue means that it's accessible with AltGr, and red means that the key is a dead key. In a nutshell: – Lower left corner: no modifier. – Upper left corner: Shift. – Lower right corner: AltGr. – Upper right corner: AltGr + Shift. I agree that this is confusing, especially since the keyboard widget doesn't highlight the layer when you press e.g. AltGr + Shift so it's hard to know what's going to happen.
- csdvrx 5y ago
  Oh, I see! What about you replace red by purple or some darker shade of blue? Given the difference in color, I thought it was a separate layer activated by another key!!!
  - noname120 5y ago
    This would help readability a lot! This widget I'm using is x-keyboard[1]. It has several shortcomings (including the one you mentioned). I'm trying to get in touch with the author to see if they are still interested in maintaining it, otherwise I'll do a fork. [1] https://github.com/fabi1cazenave/x-keyboard https://github.com/fabi1cazenave/x-keyboard