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Care to elaborate?

by sedeki 5y ago

Care to elaborate?

jimbob45 5y ago
You cannot use anything outside of Safari on iOS [0]. FireFox/Chrome aren't allowed to have extensions on iOS for that reason (Regular Safari can because antitrust is MS-only). [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25850091 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25850091
- rabuse 5y ago
  Let's not forget their hold back on push notifications so a lot of us can get out of their walled garden.
jjoonathan 5y ago
Google forked WebKit in 2013 and stopped upstreaming changes. Now Google's fork is the one that everyone uses. Apple launched the WebKit revolution, but Google grabbed the ball and ran with it, Apple didn't give chase, and now they are behind. A pity.
FinalBriefing 5y ago
It is always behind on web technologies and hasn't implemented may features that have been around for a while. It only gets updated once a year, so any updates they do make are slow to hit users. This wouldn't be so bad if they were more up to date with Firefox and Chrome.
- Jcowell 5y ago
  Is it behind web technologies or is it behind Google Chrome Features ?
  - motoxpro 5y ago
    Chrome, Firefox, Brave, etc.
  - no_way 5y ago
    Answer is both
makerofspoons 5y ago
Safari is famously behind on supporting PWAs, most notably their implementation is missing web push notifications.
- handrous 5y ago
  Not having web push is a feature. They're the 3rd party toolbar or BonziBuddy of the modern web—often enabled, but rarely wanted—however nice an idea they were in theory.
  - mrguyorama 5y ago
    Firefox lets me simply deny a web page the ability to send a notification when it attempts to do so, allowing me to only let the apps I want do so, while not bothering me about the majority of web sites that don't use it. Why should apple make this choice for me?
    - handrous 5y ago
      I'd love some data on what percentage of web-push notifications going out are to users who want them, versus to users who didn't realize browsers had added a feature to let websites shit up their desktop, and, like most folks, just click "allow" on everything that pops up on a site (as there's rarely any reason, for normal people, not to) and don't know why or how some site they visited once is sending them stuff. My experience from my immediate friends and family support circle is "0%" and "100%", respectively, but I'd be open to data showing that the first number is slightly higher than 0%. The "UX" for this feature for normal users is, as far as I can tell, exactly like the bad old days when people'd accidentally install 3rd party "search bars", then not know how to get rid of them. Historically, browsers have worked to keep web sites from doing things that affect the machine outside that site's browser pane, that normal users don't want or expect them to be able to do.
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MawKKe 5y ago
For iPad oh boy they sure added new niceties such as: - Not being able to click a tab unless you drag it to the center of the tab bar - Make a "drag a link/anchor into a new window" feature; except it triggers way too easily from ordinary scrolling, forcing you to spend the next 15-30 seconds figuring out how the FUCK do you close it with an non-obvious swipe gesture. Apparently buttons with "Close" or a big X are too complicated.
- evancox100 5y ago
  Oh my god the inadvertent link drag to new window (or just overwrite current window) has been killing me, glad I’m not the only one, means there’s a chance it gets addressed.

Care to elaborate?

by sedeki 5y ago

Care to elaborate?

You cannot use anything outside of Safari on iOS [0]. FireFox/Chrome aren't allowed to have extensions on iOS for that reason (Regular Safari can because antitrust is MS-only). [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25850091 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25850091

rabuse 5y ago
Let's not forget their hold back on push notifications so a lot of us can get out of their walled garden.

jjoonathan 5y ago

Google forked WebKit in 2013 and stopped upstreaming changes. Now Google's fork is the one that everyone uses. Apple launched the WebKit revolution, but Google grabbed the ball and ran with it, Apple didn't give chase, and now they are behind. A pity.

FinalBriefing 5y ago

It is always behind on web technologies and hasn't implemented may features that have been around for a while. It only gets updated once a year, so any updates they do make are slow to hit users. This wouldn't be so bad if they were more up to date with Firefox and Chrome.

Jcowell 5y ago
Is it behind web technologies or is it behind Google Chrome Features ?
- motoxpro 5y ago
  Chrome, Firefox, Brave, etc.
- no_way 5y ago
  Answer is both

makerofspoons 5y ago

Safari is famously behind on supporting PWAs, most notably their implementation is missing web push notifications.

handrous 5y ago
Not having web push is a feature. They're the 3rd party toolbar or BonziBuddy of the modern web—often enabled, but rarely wanted—however nice an idea they were in theory.
- mrguyorama 5y ago
  Firefox lets me simply deny a web page the ability to send a notification when it attempts to do so, allowing me to only let the apps I want do so, while not bothering me about the majority of web sites that don't use it. Why should apple make this choice for me?
  - handrous 5y ago
    I'd love some data on what percentage of web-push notifications going out are to users who want them, versus to users who didn't realize browsers had added a feature to let websites shit up their desktop, and, like most folks, just click "allow" on everything that pops up on a site (as there's rarely any reason, for normal people, not to) and don't know why or how some site they visited once is sending them stuff. My experience from my immediate friends and family support circle is "0%" and "100%", respectively, but I'd be open to data showing that the first number is slightly higher than 0%. The "UX" for this feature for normal users is, as far as I can tell, exactly like the bad old days when people'd accidentally install 3rd party "search bars", then not know how to get rid of them. Historically, browsers have worked to keep web sites from doing things that affect the machine outside that site's browser pane, that normal users don't want or expect them to be able to do.
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MawKKe 5y ago

For iPad oh boy they sure added new niceties such as: - Not being able to click a tab unless you drag it to the center of the tab bar - Make a "drag a link/anchor into a new window" feature; except it triggers way too easily from ordinary scrolling, forcing you to spend the next 15-30 seconds figuring out how the FUCK do you close it with an non-obvious swipe gesture. Apparently buttons with "Close" or a big X are too complicated.

evancox100 5y ago
Oh my god the inadvertent link drag to new window (or just overwrite current window) has been killing me, glad I’m not the only one, means there’s a chance it gets addressed.