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Am I the only one that thinks that this whole thing seems kind of...petty? A mistake was made, it was corrected ...move on? am I missing something?

by chrsig 5y ago

skinkestek 5y ago
For some of us this is just the most recent event in a long series. Is it necessarily an evil ploy this time? I say no. Should I cut them some slack? Again, I say no. When they are big enough to hurt others badly by being careless, then they should be taken to task just for being careless. As someone said Google had mountains of goodwill until recently. When they have worked so long and so hard to make us dislike them I think they deserve to reap the rewards ;-) Also, as someone else mentioned, there is the pattern of announcing something misleading on stage and then retracting it on a private blog later, just like big media tend to do.
- chrsig 5y ago
  >When they are big enough to hurt others badly by being careless, then they should be taken to task just for being careless I guess this is where I'm having difficulty -- Who's being hurt badly here? What was the actual damage? I guess I'm just having a hard time caring that google and apple are duking it out? Like...out of all the things google does to get up in arms over, I'm having a hard time ranking getting a number wrong on a slide....and with all the things apple does, and all the resources they have at their disposal, I'm having a hard time finding much empathy for it.
  - kinlan 5y ago
    I think there's a number of people who've said that they've lost trust in Google and that's pretty much the sum of it and why I felt like I needed to write up the post. For me, there are three sets of people that I work with: Developers, Engineers in Chrome and Engineers on other browsers. Projects like Compat 2021 are super important to me to the point that if another browser vendor doesn't trust that we are working and pushing together then the project just won't succeed. If the partner browser (Safari in this question) doesn't trust the data we present, then the ecosystem won't trust the data or project. If the ecosystem doesn't trust data then the browser teams won't trust the project etc. So even if it was just a small change in the number, it's trust all the way down.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
  This is a great example of why building and keeping trust is important. If you have trust, then a honest mistake will be accepted as a honest mistake and quickly forgotten. If trust is already strained, then even a honest mistake will be seen as an attack, blown out of proportion, and require significant work to restore the additional damage it did to the already low level of remaining trust.
  - skinkestek 5y ago
    Exactly. For the longest time I trusted Google. Today I still think there are lots and lots of nice people there but I don't trust the organization anymore and I feel like a jackass for trusting them for so long. Please note that I trust them a lot more than China or Russia, I just don't give Google the benefit of doubt anymore, they have to earn my trust and then some every single time until search works, they have provably stood up against China a couple of times, restored the browser ecosystem etc. A tall order yes, but Google is the one who could do it if they weren't so ridiculously busy with things I don't care about ;-)

Am I the only one that thinks that this whole thing seems kind of...petty? A mistake was made, it was corrected ...move on? am I missing something?

by chrsig 5y ago

Am I the only one that thinks that this whole thing seems kind of...petty? A mistake was made, it was corrected ...move on? am I missing something?

skinkestek 5y ago

For some of us this is just the most recent event in a long series. Is it necessarily an evil ploy this time? I say no. Should I cut them some slack? Again, I say no. When they are big enough to hurt others badly by being careless, then they should be taken to task just for being careless. As someone said Google had mountains of goodwill until recently. When they have worked so long and so hard to make us dislike them I think they deserve to reap the rewards ;-) Also, as someone else mentioned, there is the pattern of announcing something misleading on stage and then retracting it on a private blog later, just like big media tend to do.

chrsig 5y ago
>When they are big enough to hurt others badly by being careless, then they should be taken to task just for being careless I guess this is where I'm having difficulty -- Who's being hurt badly here? What was the actual damage? I guess I'm just having a hard time caring that google and apple are duking it out? Like...out of all the things google does to get up in arms over, I'm having a hard time ranking getting a number wrong on a slide....and with all the things apple does, and all the resources they have at their disposal, I'm having a hard time finding much empathy for it.
- kinlan 5y ago
  I think there's a number of people who've said that they've lost trust in Google and that's pretty much the sum of it and why I felt like I needed to write up the post. For me, there are three sets of people that I work with: Developers, Engineers in Chrome and Engineers on other browsers. Projects like Compat 2021 are super important to me to the point that if another browser vendor doesn't trust that we are working and pushing together then the project just won't succeed. If the partner browser (Safari in this question) doesn't trust the data we present, then the ecosystem won't trust the data or project. If the ecosystem doesn't trust data then the browser teams won't trust the project etc. So even if it was just a small change in the number, it's trust all the way down.
tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
This is a great example of why building and keeping trust is important. If you have trust, then a honest mistake will be accepted as a honest mistake and quickly forgotten. If trust is already strained, then even a honest mistake will be seen as an attack, blown out of proportion, and require significant work to restore the additional damage it did to the already low level of remaining trust.
- skinkestek 5y ago
  Exactly. For the longest time I trusted Google. Today I still think there are lots and lots of nice people there but I don't trust the organization anymore and I feel like a jackass for trusting them for so long. Please note that I trust them a lot more than China or Russia, I just don't give Google the benefit of doubt anymore, they have to earn my trust and then some every single time until search works, they have provably stood up against China a couple of times, restored the browser ecosystem etc. A tall order yes, but Google is the one who could do it if they weren't so ridiculously busy with things I don't care about ;-)