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I've used Python for 15 years and I'm far more productive with Clojure. Don't generalize.

by lvass 5y ago

alexeiz 5y ago
I love Clojure. As with Python, Clojure comes with batteries included. It's dynamic typing and REPL makes development really quick and the JVM runtime allows to achieve better performance than Python in many cases. You can even go as far as compiling to native executable with GraalVM.
taylodl 5y ago
I agree with you on Clojure, but I'm not going to be able to get my team to adopt Clojure - unless you're going to tell me how you convinced your team to adopt Clojure! :)
ubercore 5y ago
Presenting a specific experience refuting an earlier generalization is reasonable here, I think.
- shadowfox 5y ago
  I mean it is not just mentioning a specific experience to refute a generalization when there is also this: "Python is the tool of choice for those developers who just want to get stuff done."
  - taylodl 5y ago
    Admittedly that last bit was a bit inflammatory, but I've gotten tired of the constant arguing over languages at where I work. I'm on a bit of a rogue team that's just adopted Python and are getting stuff done. Other people are just now starting to pay attention because we're getting so much done and now work is headed our way as a result. Wait until they find out we're not using any of the languages they're bickering about and are using lowly Python! Still, as awesome as my team is I think they'd draw the line at Clojure.
wallscratch 5y ago
What features of clojure do you feel make you more productive? I’m primarily a python user, but I spent time writing code in Ocaml to understand the potential benefits, but… (I would love to have my mind changed)… it feels like many of the features people touted about Ocaml have already made their way into python…? 1. Immutability / referential transparency seem more like nice-to-haves for a codebase, rather than the real reason people tout FP…? 2. Sum/product types and pattern matching are being added soon to python 3. Mypy is starting to gradually enable python typing, although I assume it’s still a work in progress 4. Python allows us to use map/reduce, and to pass functions around as arguments…? I want to understand the potential benefits of FP more, but my experience with Ocaml hasn’t shown me great improvements yet. Open to having my mind changed.
- antifa 5y ago
  In Ocaml, these things are all first class citizens and well integrated features. In python, most of these "features" are done half right and duct-taped on at the last second as an afterthought.

I've used Python for 15 years and I'm far more productive with Clojure. Don't generalize.

by lvass 5y ago

I've used Python for 15 years and I'm far more productive with Clojure. Don't generalize.

I love Clojure. As with Python, Clojure comes with batteries included. It's dynamic typing and REPL makes development really quick and the JVM runtime allows to achieve better performance than Python in many cases. You can even go as far as compiling to native executable with GraalVM.

taylodl 5y ago

I agree with you on Clojure, but I'm not going to be able to get my team to adopt Clojure - unless you're going to tell me how you convinced your team to adopt Clojure! :)

ubercore 5y ago

Presenting a specific experience refuting an earlier generalization is reasonable here, I think.

shadowfox 5y ago
I mean it is not just mentioning a specific experience to refute a generalization when there is also this: "Python is the tool of choice for those developers who just want to get stuff done."
- taylodl 5y ago
  Admittedly that last bit was a bit inflammatory, but I've gotten tired of the constant arguing over languages at where I work. I'm on a bit of a rogue team that's just adopted Python and are getting stuff done. Other people are just now starting to pay attention because we're getting so much done and now work is headed our way as a result. Wait until they find out we're not using any of the languages they're bickering about and are using lowly Python! Still, as awesome as my team is I think they'd draw the line at Clojure.

wallscratch 5y ago

What features of clojure do you feel make you more productive? I’m primarily a python user, but I spent time writing code in Ocaml to understand the potential benefits, but… (I would love to have my mind changed)… it feels like many of the features people touted about Ocaml have already made their way into python…? 1. Immutability / referential transparency seem more like nice-to-haves for a codebase, rather than the real reason people tout FP…? 2. Sum/product types and pattern matching are being added soon to python 3. Mypy is starting to gradually enable python typing, although I assume it’s still a work in progress 4. Python allows us to use map/reduce, and to pass functions around as arguments…? I want to understand the potential benefits of FP more, but my experience with Ocaml hasn’t shown me great improvements yet. Open to having my mind changed.

antifa 5y ago
In Ocaml, these things are all first class citizens and well integrated features. In python, most of these "features" are done half right and duct-taped on at the last second as an afterthought.