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I strongly disagree with the hypothesis proposed. Instead 1) most people are kind and want to help others 2) most people are not experts in most things, but

I strongly disagree with the hypothesis proposed. Instead 1) most people are kind and want to help others 2) most people are not experts in most things, but do know a lot about a few things. 3) most people have different values which comes through in their priorities. Most value systems are equally valid.

gameswithgo 5y ago
Why would most value system be equally valid? What mechanism would cause that to be the case? What do we mean by "valid"? Are they equally "Good" in some sense, is that different than valid? Some people have value systems where women should be killed if they are raped because they bring shame on the family, is that equally valid?
- hexane360 5y ago
  I believe OP is implicitly saying "Most value systems [held by people you interact with on a daily basis] are equally valid". That's very different from the set of all conceivable value systems, and it's a lot easier to imagine the mechanisms by which the limited case holds (i.e.: people are pretty good at selecting valid value systems).
whataremyvalues 5y ago
1) Most people are unaware of the conflict between benevolence and other values. Conservation and Self-enhancement are common focuses used as justification for behavior that is malevolent and not benevolent. 2) Relative 3) "Most value systems are equally valid." False. Human caste systems (including the current american caste system) are created, justified, and enabled from a variety of value systems.
Sohcahtoa82 5y ago
Maybe I'm jaded and cynical, but in our current political climate, I don't believe these. > 1) most people are kind and want to help others Most people would CLAIM to want to help others, but there are a lot of people that say they don't want socialized healthcare and frame it as being against their tax dollars being spent to treat a smoker's lung cancer or an over-eater's diabetes. The fact that it could also save people from health problems that are no fault of their own isn't important. > 2) most people are not experts in most things, but do know a lot about a few things. They know they're not experts, but they claim to be. Not hard to find immunologists who earned their degrees from social media that think that vaccinated people somehow shed the COVID virus and actually increase the spread. > 3) most people have different values which comes through in their priorities. Most value systems are equally valid. The first part of this is absolutely true. Just look at "socially liberal, but fiscally conservative" people that will happily throw their values regarding minority issues into the garbage in favor of a tax break they probably won't even see because they don't earn enough. Whether all value systems are "valid" I guess depends on your definition of "valid".
- t0suj4 5y ago
  1) In a socialized health care the tax dollars will be absolutely spent to treat smoker's lung or an over-eater's diabetes. There will be no money left to save people from health problems that aren't fault of their own. Only people rich enough will be able to bribe their way to the appropriate treatment. 2) Everyone has a right to their opinion, social media is a collection of people and their opinions, not medical journal. 3) Tax breaks are for the minority, the rich people, give tax breaks to everyone. Yes, value systems are subjective, deal with it.

gameswithgo 5y ago

Why would most value system be equally valid? What mechanism would cause that to be the case? What do we mean by "valid"? Are they equally "Good" in some sense, is that different than valid? Some people have value systems where women should be killed if they are raped because they bring shame on the family, is that equally valid?

hexane360 5y ago
I believe OP is implicitly saying "Most value systems [held by people you interact with on a daily basis] are equally valid". That's very different from the set of all conceivable value systems, and it's a lot easier to imagine the mechanisms by which the limited case holds (i.e.: people are pretty good at selecting valid value systems).

whataremyvalues 5y ago

1) Most people are unaware of the conflict between benevolence and other values. Conservation and Self-enhancement are common focuses used as justification for behavior that is malevolent and not benevolent. 2) Relative 3) "Most value systems are equally valid." False. Human caste systems (including the current american caste system) are created, justified, and enabled from a variety of value systems.

Sohcahtoa82 5y ago

Maybe I'm jaded and cynical, but in our current political climate, I don't believe these. > 1) most people are kind and want to help others Most people would CLAIM to want to help others, but there are a lot of people that say they don't want socialized healthcare and frame it as being against their tax dollars being spent to treat a smoker's lung cancer or an over-eater's diabetes. The fact that it could also save people from health problems that are no fault of their own isn't important. > 2) most people are not experts in most things, but do know a lot about a few things. They know they're not experts, but they claim to be. Not hard to find immunologists who earned their degrees from social media that think that vaccinated people somehow shed the COVID virus and actually increase the spread. > 3) most people have different values which comes through in their priorities. Most value systems are equally valid. The first part of this is absolutely true. Just look at "socially liberal, but fiscally conservative" people that will happily throw their values regarding minority issues into the garbage in favor of a tax break they probably won't even see because they don't earn enough. Whether all value systems are "valid" I guess depends on your definition of "valid".

t0suj4 5y ago
1) In a socialized health care the tax dollars will be absolutely spent to treat smoker's lung or an over-eater's diabetes. There will be no money left to save people from health problems that aren't fault of their own. Only people rich enough will be able to bribe their way to the appropriate treatment. 2) Everyone has a right to their opinion, social media is a collection of people and their opinions, not medical journal. 3) Tax breaks are for the minority, the rich people, give tax breaks to everyone. Yes, value systems are subjective, deal with it.