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Hopefully the community will come together and figure out a good solution for the mess that YT is creating.

by azth 5y ago

havkd 5y ago
Yes, the way it’s always done.
- k8sToGo 5y ago
  Is it? Is there a good community alternative to Whatsapp and Facebook that is also used by people other than terrorists and right wing activists (joke)? Last time I tried to switch to an alternative, I ended up with my messaging spread out to many apps. So I ended up going back to the common denominator: Whatsapp
  - lanevorockz 5y ago
    I don't want to be pedantic here but Facebook was the replacement for Google's Orkut. Orkut started messing up and they lost their leadership position almost overnight.
  - andrepd 5y ago
    I message almost everyone I know on Signal. I have WhatsApp installed (no permissions) for when I need to contact someone who doesn't have it.
    - k8sToGo 5y ago
      Oh interesting. I only had two contacts on Signal.
disantlor 5y ago
ive used youtube daily for years and never once looked at or clicked the dislike button (or the like button). seems to work fine for me
- andrew_ 5y ago
  I use it prolifically to mark videos that are hard to watch or lack the content they claim they contain. I consider it a noble service to my peers.
  - disantlor 5y ago
    fair but id assume the algorithm prioritizes watch time anyway. people might dislike a video but then watch it anyway… guessing youtube is going to opt to keep showing the video.
- Shugarl 5y ago
  I've used YouTube daily for years and always found it quite useful to see dislike bar, because it's rare to see more than 10% dislikes on a video, so whenever that happens, you know that something's wrong.
pif 5y ago
Hopefully the community has something more interesting in their life to care about.
- nerevarthelame 5y ago
  It is absolutely worth caring about. YouTube's feedback to users is monumentally important, as it's the go-to source of video-based information for hundreds of millions of people. It has the potential to feed people really toxic content.
jimbob45 5y ago
Most of the community likely watches videos through Reddit or FB which have built-in downvotes so they won't even notice. I'm guessing YouTube regrets putting comments and votes on its videos in the first place. Embedding YT videos still gives YT views (unlike, say, reposting a gif to 4chan) and I would think that they'd prefer FB/Reddit would just eat the controversy over curating comments and votes instead of having to subsidize it themselves.
rektide 5y ago
> Hopefully the community will come together and figure out a good solution for the mess that YT is creating. If youtube won't host the information, it becomes a search problem: who has voted on this link? How have they voted? Certainly the easiest path would be to create a new centralized site that hosts all these votes. Then create an extension to add these downvotes back in. Ideally you'd probably want to also have folks be willing to track views too, since downvotes is pretty much a consideration of ratios; 22 downvotes doesn't sound like a lot if there's a million views but it's a lot if there's 100 views. So now we have an extension that tracks every youtube video you view and submits it to some centralized site, along with upvote/downvotes. It'd be excellent to try to evolve a more distributed p2p architecture for doing this, but short of recording it on a blockchain- and a roll-up side-chain probably won't help- there's not a lot of good ways to do this. An intermediary step would be to have folks create micro-pages that record their votes. Then we can search "link:https://youtube.com/1a2s3d4f https://youtube.com/1a2s3d4f" to use google to go find all the votes people have created. It's sad & bitter Youtube is de-democratizing this way, is serving their customers & not the audience, but it does interestingly highlight what a hard problem it is to create real demoncratic systems online.
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LegitShady 5y ago
I think it's as simple as commenting "dislike" on the video instead. It will fill the comments with negative responses that are easily recognized, and while you don't get counts it won't be hard to tell if a video has a lot of dislikes. It would be better to get a count and ratio of like to dislikes but Google doesn't want that so comments it is. The other option is an off-site like/dislike page that is hosted off of Google's servers and not subject to their tos. Maybe accessible through an extension. Abandon YouTube like/comments since they clearly can't handle the engagement and host the discussion on a third party page - one page with a like/dislike count for each YouTube video and with better forum type tools than YouTube comments offer. A good opportunity for a third party to build a tool that solves the problem outside of YouTube.
- azth 5y ago
  The problem is that some videos disable comments (e.g. see the white house videos), or the video owners will simply delete those comments.
  - LegitShady 5y ago
    In general when I see no comments on a video I know the video is garbage, so that helps on its own.

Hopefully the community will come together and figure out a good solution for the mess that YT is creating.

by azth 5y ago

Hopefully the community will come together and figure out a good solution for the mess that YT is creating.

havkd 5y ago

Yes, the way it’s always done.

k8sToGo 5y ago
Is it? Is there a good community alternative to Whatsapp and Facebook that is also used by people other than terrorists and right wing activists (joke)? Last time I tried to switch to an alternative, I ended up with my messaging spread out to many apps. So I ended up going back to the common denominator: Whatsapp
- lanevorockz 5y ago
  I don't want to be pedantic here but Facebook was the replacement for Google's Orkut. Orkut started messing up and they lost their leadership position almost overnight.
- andrepd 5y ago
  I message almost everyone I know on Signal. I have WhatsApp installed (no permissions) for when I need to contact someone who doesn't have it.
  - k8sToGo 5y ago
    Oh interesting. I only had two contacts on Signal.

disantlor 5y ago

ive used youtube daily for years and never once looked at or clicked the dislike button (or the like button). seems to work fine for me

andrew_ 5y ago
I use it prolifically to mark videos that are hard to watch or lack the content they claim they contain. I consider it a noble service to my peers.
- disantlor 5y ago
  fair but id assume the algorithm prioritizes watch time anyway. people might dislike a video but then watch it anyway… guessing youtube is going to opt to keep showing the video.
Shugarl 5y ago
I've used YouTube daily for years and always found it quite useful to see dislike bar, because it's rare to see more than 10% dislikes on a video, so whenever that happens, you know that something's wrong.

pif 5y ago

Hopefully the community has something more interesting in their life to care about.

nerevarthelame 5y ago
It is absolutely worth caring about. YouTube's feedback to users is monumentally important, as it's the go-to source of video-based information for hundreds of millions of people. It has the potential to feed people really toxic content.

jimbob45 5y ago

Most of the community likely watches videos through Reddit or FB which have built-in downvotes so they won't even notice. I'm guessing YouTube regrets putting comments and votes on its videos in the first place. Embedding YT videos still gives YT views (unlike, say, reposting a gif to 4chan) and I would think that they'd prefer FB/Reddit would just eat the controversy over curating comments and votes instead of having to subsidize it themselves.

rektide 5y ago

> Hopefully the community will come together and figure out a good solution for the mess that YT is creating. If youtube won't host the information, it becomes a search problem: who has voted on this link? How have they voted? Certainly the easiest path would be to create a new centralized site that hosts all these votes. Then create an extension to add these downvotes back in. Ideally you'd probably want to also have folks be willing to track views too, since downvotes is pretty much a consideration of ratios; 22 downvotes doesn't sound like a lot if there's a million views but it's a lot if there's 100 views. So now we have an extension that tracks every youtube video you view and submits it to some centralized site, along with upvote/downvotes. It'd be excellent to try to evolve a more distributed p2p architecture for doing this, but short of recording it on a blockchain- and a roll-up side-chain probably won't help- there's not a lot of good ways to do this. An intermediary step would be to have folks create micro-pages that record their votes. Then we can search "link:https://youtube.com/1a2s3d4f https://youtube.com/1a2s3d4f" to use google to go find all the votes people have created. It's sad & bitter Youtube is de-democratizing this way, is serving their customers & not the audience, but it does interestingly highlight what a hard problem it is to create real demoncratic systems online.

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LegitShady 5y ago

I think it's as simple as commenting "dislike" on the video instead. It will fill the comments with negative responses that are easily recognized, and while you don't get counts it won't be hard to tell if a video has a lot of dislikes. It would be better to get a count and ratio of like to dislikes but Google doesn't want that so comments it is. The other option is an off-site like/dislike page that is hosted off of Google's servers and not subject to their tos. Maybe accessible through an extension. Abandon YouTube like/comments since they clearly can't handle the engagement and host the discussion on a third party page - one page with a like/dislike count for each YouTube video and with better forum type tools than YouTube comments offer. A good opportunity for a third party to build a tool that solves the problem outside of YouTube.

azth 5y ago
The problem is that some videos disable comments (e.g. see the white house videos), or the video owners will simply delete those comments.
- LegitShady 5y ago
  In general when I see no comments on a video I know the video is garbage, so that helps on its own.