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The author of the article seems to be against a device that will save a lot of lifes and improve the quality of life to even more people to save $300.

cmaggiulli 5y ago
That is a straw man argument if I ever heard one. The author is claiming the system won’t work
unethical_ban 5y ago
I'm against a device that may or may not record me or take my health stats and report them to a central database every time I get into a vehicle. I don't trust this not to be used as yet another automated surveillance tool for the government. if there is one thing I don't trust the government with, it's visibility at scale. If we had guts, we would ban bars from selling anyone more than three drinks, and ban bars from serving anyone who has had a drink anywhere else that day. (or something, I'm brainstorming).
- zip1234 5y ago
  It is widely accepted that driving a dangerous machine that endangers the lives of others is a privilege and responsibility that comes with restrictions.
- stopagephobia 5y ago
  Meh, prohbiition dont work, we tried it. We cant even keep kids from drinking. Theres already a cultural shift away from as much heavy drinking, a lot more of the young people I know dont drink at all or drink only a bit and are more accepting of people who don't drink. Also how would you prevent other bars from selling to people without a centralized database.
  - unethical_ban 5y ago
    >how would you prevent other bars from selling to people without a centralized database. Holding bars accountable. TABC (Texas bar regulator) tells all bartenders TODAY that you cannot serve someone to excess (above 0.08% BAC) and cannot serve someone who is already drunk. I guarantee you that every single bartender in Texas has violated this regulation. When the regulations step in with reality, and are enforced, maybe fewer people would be overserved.
notreallyserio 5y ago
I'm just surprised this is coming before verifying license and insurance status before allowing the car to start. Seems like that'd be easier (and equally undesirable).

cmaggiulli 5y ago

That is a straw man argument if I ever heard one. The author is claiming the system won’t work

unethical_ban 5y ago

I'm against a device that may or may not record me or take my health stats and report them to a central database every time I get into a vehicle. I don't trust this not to be used as yet another automated surveillance tool for the government. if there is one thing I don't trust the government with, it's visibility at scale. If we had guts, we would ban bars from selling anyone more than three drinks, and ban bars from serving anyone who has had a drink anywhere else that day. (or something, I'm brainstorming).

zip1234 5y ago
It is widely accepted that driving a dangerous machine that endangers the lives of others is a privilege and responsibility that comes with restrictions.
stopagephobia 5y ago
Meh, prohbiition dont work, we tried it. We cant even keep kids from drinking. Theres already a cultural shift away from as much heavy drinking, a lot more of the young people I know dont drink at all or drink only a bit and are more accepting of people who don't drink. Also how would you prevent other bars from selling to people without a centralized database.
- unethical_ban 5y ago
  >how would you prevent other bars from selling to people without a centralized database. Holding bars accountable. TABC (Texas bar regulator) tells all bartenders TODAY that you cannot serve someone to excess (above 0.08% BAC) and cannot serve someone who is already drunk. I guarantee you that every single bartender in Texas has violated this regulation. When the regulations step in with reality, and are enforced, maybe fewer people would be overserved.

notreallyserio 5y ago

I'm just surprised this is coming before verifying license and insurance status before allowing the car to start. Seems like that'd be easier (and equally undesirable).