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Yes there's good taste. As one example that I've experienced: walk into the Pixar building in Emeryville and it feels amazing, and different, and better. And it

by jph 5y ago

Yes there's good taste. As one example that I've experienced: walk into the Pixar building in Emeryville and it feels amazing, and different, and better. And it turns out that Steve Jobs created it. https://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/inside-steve-jobs-mindblowing-pixar-campus https://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/inside-steve-jobs-mindblo...

joris_w 5y ago
That's your taste, which might be good taste, but how do we decide on that?
- fsloth 5y ago
  "how do we decide on that?" That's the point. There is no current calculus to compute this but I find Paul's argument pretty convincing still.
Jugurtha 5y ago
Blaise Pascal wrote a delightful passage on good taste and bad taste in Pensées (circa 1667).
afavour 5y ago
Surely this is just a matter of opinion? Someone might see this (which I personally agree, looks great) and say that it’s too busy and that a cleaner, simpler design like The Oculus[1] in NYC is in better taste. Someone else might conceivably say that design is too cold. Neither of those opinions is wrong. There isn’t much objective truth to be had here. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_station_(PATH) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_station_(PA...
Igelau 5y ago
I'm picturing Steve Jobs on stage to make an industry-shaking announcement... in a turtleneck tucked into his mom jeans, and glaring white sneakers.
- quesera 5y ago
  I think you're making a derisive judgement on his fashion choices, from the distance of a couple decades. This is always an error, but you should see his "vest" years! As it happens, there's a story behind the choices of black turtleneck (very specific maker), Levi's (5xx?), and New Balance (993s). They are the results of deliberate application and prioritization of optimizations -- evaluated by his personal criteria only, of course. You might think I'm kidding, but I am not.
  - Igelau 5y ago
    > black turtleneck (very specific maker) Pretty sure that's Issey Miyaki. > They are the results of deliberate application and prioritization of optimizations -- evaluated by his personal criteria only, of course. You might think I'm kidding, but I am not. I believe you 100%. None of those words is synonymous with "good taste".
    - quesera 5y ago
      There is no "good" in this equation, but clearly the decisions were the result of the application of large amounts of "taste". But see above re: application of current sensibilities to historical fashion decisions. Always a mistake.

by jph 5y ago

joris_w 5y ago

That's your taste, which might be good taste, but how do we decide on that?

fsloth 5y ago
"how do we decide on that?" That's the point. There is no current calculus to compute this but I find Paul's argument pretty convincing still.

Jugurtha 5y ago

Blaise Pascal wrote a delightful passage on good taste and bad taste in Pensées (circa 1667).

afavour 5y ago

Surely this is just a matter of opinion? Someone might see this (which I personally agree, looks great) and say that it’s too busy and that a cleaner, simpler design like The Oculus[1] in NYC is in better taste. Someone else might conceivably say that design is too cold. Neither of those opinions is wrong. There isn’t much objective truth to be had here. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_station_(PATH) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_station_(PA...

Igelau 5y ago

I'm picturing Steve Jobs on stage to make an industry-shaking announcement... in a turtleneck tucked into his mom jeans, and glaring white sneakers.

quesera 5y ago
I think you're making a derisive judgement on his fashion choices, from the distance of a couple decades. This is always an error, but you should see his "vest" years! As it happens, there's a story behind the choices of black turtleneck (very specific maker), Levi's (5xx?), and New Balance (993s). They are the results of deliberate application and prioritization of optimizations -- evaluated by his personal criteria only, of course. You might think I'm kidding, but I am not.
- Igelau 5y ago
  > black turtleneck (very specific maker) Pretty sure that's Issey Miyaki. > They are the results of deliberate application and prioritization of optimizations -- evaluated by his personal criteria only, of course. You might think I'm kidding, but I am not. I believe you 100%. None of those words is synonymous with "good taste".
  - quesera 5y ago
    There is no "good" in this equation, but clearly the decisions were the result of the application of large amounts of "taste". But see above re: application of current sensibilities to historical fashion decisions. Always a mistake.