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Did you actually try the alternatives? If we're talking about dotnet specifically, then Rider? It's miles ahead of VS in every way that I can think of. I don't

Did you actually try the alternatives? If we're talking about dotnet specifically, then Rider? It's miles ahead of VS in every way that I can think of. I don't personally know a single dotnet developer who kept using VS after trying out Rider for a few weeks.

radicalbyte 5y ago
It depends on what you're doing; Visual Studio with ReSharper is still very good (as long as you have a beast of a machine).
- tonyedgecombe 5y ago
  Every time there is a new version of Visual Studio I try and use it for as long as possible before I give up and install ReSharper. So far VS 2022 looks like it might be good enough without it.
  - jmnicolas 5y ago
    I'm using Visual Studio without Resharper since 2009. What did I miss? :p I never felt I was lacking anything in stock Visual Studio and since my company won't pay for anything I never considered Resharper. Fwiw I have Linux at home and trying Rider (I have used Android Studio before) I much prefer Visual Studio.
- tester756 5y ago
  Visual Studio with Roslynator (free, needs less resources)
kovac 5y ago
I did. I tried Rider and continued to use VS when I was programming on Windows. On Linux I use Rider (though I'm mostly off. Net stuff now). Reason for using VS is because I like it's UI (like the colour scheme more) and I think there are at times issues with resolving dependency issues like nuget stuff (which is what my colleague told me who is a fulltime rider user but fires up VS rarely to resolve them). I haven't tried things like parallel stack watches, debugging dlls and remote debugging. I just liked these things the way they are in VS. Though I'd rank Rider higher than VS since it runs on Linux.
konamicode 5y ago
VS's windowing system is better than Rider's. I often use VS with a layout which takes up two full screens (editor on one and Tests Explorer/Solution Explorer/Output Window/Find window etc on the other). I haven't yet found a way to replicate this in Rider.
- GordonS 5y ago
  I use Rider, and often have a code editor on my main monitor, debugger at the top of my secondary monitor, and tests at the bottom of my secondary monitor - it all works great. At the top right of each window pane is a popup menu that let's you change the window mode, it's that simple.
Const-me 5y ago
> It's miles ahead of VS in every way that I can think of When I need to write advanced SIMD code, or consume C libraries like FreeType designed to be hostile towards FFI, I often make C++ DLLs to be consumes from C#. Unlike Rider, Visual Studio is not just .NET IDE, it's a C++ IDE as well. The two debuggers are integrated too, it's easy to debug both C# and C++ at the same time.
- piva00 5y ago
  And Rider is not just Rider, it's based on the IntelliJ platform that can also support multiple different languages, including C++, Python, Java and so on.
- dotancohen 5y ago
  As a Linux user, what do I need to experiment with .NET 6 to replace Python for mostly simple file processing? 90% of my use would be to open and read/write files, read from stdin and argv, regex, maybe some http requests and math no heavier than the occasional integral or limit.
  - Scarbutt 5y ago
    Downloading .NET 6, a text editor and reading docs?
    - dotancohen 5y ago
      Yes, of course! There was much mention in this thread of the docs being out of date, referring mostly to older dotnet APIs. Also, by mentioning specific use cases, I was hoping - and got - very specific and helpful recommendations.
  - thrower123 5y ago
    You're probably better just sticking with Python if that is all you are doing. DotNet and C# works fine for all of those things, but it's definitely simpler to get spun up with a Python script for the quick and dirty. DotNet really shines as things get bigger and you need to have more structure.
pjmlp 5y ago
Miles ahead only for those that don't know how to use VS properly. It has tons of features missing for Windows development, debugging across .NET languages, C++, COM and WinRT. Debugging of GPU code, parallel code, integration with mocking frameworks like Fakes, architecture modeling even for files without source available (code maps).
- R0b0t1 5y ago
  Those latter things (COM, WinRT) are gated behind the enterprise license, IIRC. Most people will not have cause to want them. I know I don't.
  - pjmlp 5y ago
    Any serious Windows developer will.
    - R0b0t1 5y ago
      They're a sign of dated tech. Nothing modern necessarily needs them. I know how to use them and I can respect the design, but pay gating them for so long has made them irrelevant.
      - pjmlp 5y ago
        Not only those things aren't gated, they are the modern APIs on Windows since Longhorn, they are only irrelevant if you are stuck on Windows XP.
        R0b0t1 5y ago
        The developer tooling was pay gated until VS2019 or something. You needed this tooling to make use of the APIs in a reasonable way, or alternative tooling. Most people just responded by not using those APIs or recreating them.
    - GordonS 5y ago

radicalbyte 5y ago

It depends on what you're doing; Visual Studio with ReSharper is still very good (as long as you have a beast of a machine).

tonyedgecombe 5y ago
Every time there is a new version of Visual Studio I try and use it for as long as possible before I give up and install ReSharper. So far VS 2022 looks like it might be good enough without it.
- jmnicolas 5y ago
  I'm using Visual Studio without Resharper since 2009. What did I miss? :p I never felt I was lacking anything in stock Visual Studio and since my company won't pay for anything I never considered Resharper. Fwiw I have Linux at home and trying Rider (I have used Android Studio before) I much prefer Visual Studio.
tester756 5y ago
Visual Studio with Roslynator (free, needs less resources)

kovac 5y ago

I did. I tried Rider and continued to use VS when I was programming on Windows. On Linux I use Rider (though I'm mostly off. Net stuff now). Reason for using VS is because I like it's UI (like the colour scheme more) and I think there are at times issues with resolving dependency issues like nuget stuff (which is what my colleague told me who is a fulltime rider user but fires up VS rarely to resolve them). I haven't tried things like parallel stack watches, debugging dlls and remote debugging. I just liked these things the way they are in VS. Though I'd rank Rider higher than VS since it runs on Linux.

konamicode 5y ago

VS's windowing system is better than Rider's. I often use VS with a layout which takes up two full screens (editor on one and Tests Explorer/Solution Explorer/Output Window/Find window etc on the other). I haven't yet found a way to replicate this in Rider.

GordonS 5y ago
I use Rider, and often have a code editor on my main monitor, debugger at the top of my secondary monitor, and tests at the bottom of my secondary monitor - it all works great. At the top right of each window pane is a popup menu that let's you change the window mode, it's that simple.

Const-me 5y ago

> It's miles ahead of VS in every way that I can think of When I need to write advanced SIMD code, or consume C libraries like FreeType designed to be hostile towards FFI, I often make C++ DLLs to be consumes from C#. Unlike Rider, Visual Studio is not just .NET IDE, it's a C++ IDE as well. The two debuggers are integrated too, it's easy to debug both C# and C++ at the same time.

piva00 5y ago
And Rider is not just Rider, it's based on the IntelliJ platform that can also support multiple different languages, including C++, Python, Java and so on.
dotancohen 5y ago
As a Linux user, what do I need to experiment with .NET 6 to replace Python for mostly simple file processing? 90% of my use would be to open and read/write files, read from stdin and argv, regex, maybe some http requests and math no heavier than the occasional integral or limit.
- Scarbutt 5y ago
  Downloading .NET 6, a text editor and reading docs?
  - dotancohen 5y ago
    Yes, of course! There was much mention in this thread of the docs being out of date, referring mostly to older dotnet APIs. Also, by mentioning specific use cases, I was hoping - and got - very specific and helpful recommendations.
- thrower123 5y ago
  You're probably better just sticking with Python if that is all you are doing. DotNet and C# works fine for all of those things, but it's definitely simpler to get spun up with a Python script for the quick and dirty. DotNet really shines as things get bigger and you need to have more structure.

pjmlp 5y ago

Miles ahead only for those that don't know how to use VS properly. It has tons of features missing for Windows development, debugging across .NET languages, C++, COM and WinRT. Debugging of GPU code, parallel code, integration with mocking frameworks like Fakes, architecture modeling even for files without source available (code maps).

R0b0t1 5y ago
Those latter things (COM, WinRT) are gated behind the enterprise license, IIRC. Most people will not have cause to want them. I know I don't.
- pjmlp 5y ago
  Any serious Windows developer will.
  - R0b0t1 5y ago
    They're a sign of dated tech. Nothing modern necessarily needs them. I know how to use them and I can respect the design, but pay gating them for so long has made them irrelevant.
    - pjmlp 5y ago
      Not only those things aren't gated, they are the modern APIs on Windows since Longhorn, they are only irrelevant if you are stuck on Windows XP.
      - R0b0t1 5y ago
        The developer tooling was pay gated until VS2019 or something. You needed this tooling to make use of the APIs in a reasonable way, or alternative tooling. Most people just responded by not using those APIs or recreating them.
  - GordonS 5y ago