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No they won't. Does anybody think that the West can shame China into doing anything? India may be more receptive to overtures, but China does its own thing, and
by jdhn 5y ago
No they won't. Does anybody think that the West can shame China into doing anything? India may be more receptive to overtures, but China does its own thing, and at this point doesn't care what the West thinks.
- dqpb 5y agoHere’s my concern - if you believe that people are a real critical ecological threat, then there are exactly two options: coordinated behavior change, or less people. If there is no hope for behavior change, then that means there’s an upside to people dying. Generally, bad things happen when there is an implicit upside to death.
- Jansen312 5y agoChina is a unique case. Shaming do work because of the "face culture". Based on current behavior governing elite in China, I would conclude, it is working to some extend.
- HKH2 5y agoHere's a real example in China: local governments providing a variety of recycling bins, and it all getting thrown into general waste regardless. Does 'saving face' work in that example? How about exporting recycling to China and letting them bury it? You feel good and they earn money. Does it fix anything though? When you get caught, pick a fall guy and continue on your merry way. That's how China has been operating for quite a while.
- powerapple 5y agoplease do not talk about anything you don't understand. Recycling is a process. Putting recycling bins are to educate people and prepare for recycling. Then you build recycling factories to process rubbish you collected. You DO NOT build a factory now and put out bins tomorrow assuming everything will come in place.
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- HKH2 5y agoWe are talking about what happens in China. Do you understand Chinese culture?
- powerapple 5y agoI don't know about you, I am Chinese, and I have experience in other developing countries as well. If you prefer developed country where things are already in place, good for you, there are countries still need to catch up and don't need you spreading misunderstandings and misinformations.
- HKH2 5y agoOf course any news not approved by the CCP is misinformation, and anything bad said about China has to be wrong.
- koolba 5y ago> … and at this point doesn't care what the West thinks. China has never cared what the west has thought of them beyond analyzing them like an opponent in a poker game. They can’t be shamed any more than you could shame a man mud wrestling with a pig.