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Don't look at cases only but also at deaths. We know now that the vaccines don't protect that well at preventing covid-19. Partly because they weren't develope

by bhaak 5y ago

Don't look at cases only but also at deaths. We know now that the vaccines don't protect that well at preventing covid-19. Partly because they weren't developed for the delta variant that's currently most prevalent. But we do know that it reduces both the length of the infection and the time an infected person is able to transfer the virus and more importantly it works very well at preventing severe cases and deaths. The numbers I remember from Germany are that an unvaccinated person is 8 times more likely to land in ICU than a vaccinated person.

ldehaan 5y ago
Vitamin D and regular exercise completely protects you from covid, something that is Still being ignored. The inanity is insanity. This whole global experiment is a wash imo, mrna is not as useful as hoped, suck it up and try harder. It's obvious you can't create a vaccine in short order as hoped. Again suck it up and try harder. But no, instead we get fed a firehose of bullshit because it's the most profitable product big pharma has ever made, second only to their heroin pills which were sold using television, something they are heavily invested in. But yeah, make up excuses so you don't get yelled at by the terrified masses. I have 0 bad experiences with covid except social media and the govt. I know 0 people affected by covid, except on social media. I know of billions of people affected by their governments though, who say it's because of covid. I know of billions of people who had their livelihood stolen and their businesses supplanted by giant corporations who didn't have to abide by the "mandates". You'll wake up too late, and there won't be room on the boat for you because by the time you realize it's too late, the boats will be outlawed. Good luck.
- zemvpferreira 5y ago
  As someone who has had friends and family lose loved ones to covid-19, I hope you don't find out the hard way how wrong you are about the former.
Scharkenberg 5y ago
> The numbers I remember from Germany are that an unvaccinated person is 8 times more likely to land in ICU than a vaccinated person. In my state (Saxony), 90% of patients in intensive care beds are unvaccinated. Just under 60% of the population is fully vaccinated here (lowest rate in Germany). That means that the unvaccinated are in fact "overrepresented" in intensive care by a factor of about 22.
- bhaak 5y ago
  I've seen that number as well but Saxony also has the lowest vaccination rate of all the Bundesländer in Germany, so you would expect there to be a much worse ratio of unvaccinated to vaccinated in the ICU as the relationship is not linear (which throws off a lot of people). You'd think that 50% vaccination rate accounts for something but it only halves the speed of the spreading of the virus which doesn't help that much for an exponential rate (I hope my math checks out :-).

by bhaak 5y ago

ldehaan 5y ago

Vitamin D and regular exercise completely protects you from covid, something that is Still being ignored. The inanity is insanity. This whole global experiment is a wash imo, mrna is not as useful as hoped, suck it up and try harder. It's obvious you can't create a vaccine in short order as hoped. Again suck it up and try harder. But no, instead we get fed a firehose of bullshit because it's the most profitable product big pharma has ever made, second only to their heroin pills which were sold using television, something they are heavily invested in. But yeah, make up excuses so you don't get yelled at by the terrified masses. I have 0 bad experiences with covid except social media and the govt. I know 0 people affected by covid, except on social media. I know of billions of people affected by their governments though, who say it's because of covid. I know of billions of people who had their livelihood stolen and their businesses supplanted by giant corporations who didn't have to abide by the "mandates". You'll wake up too late, and there won't be room on the boat for you because by the time you realize it's too late, the boats will be outlawed. Good luck.

zemvpferreira 5y ago
As someone who has had friends and family lose loved ones to covid-19, I hope you don't find out the hard way how wrong you are about the former.

Scharkenberg 5y ago

> The numbers I remember from Germany are that an unvaccinated person is 8 times more likely to land in ICU than a vaccinated person. In my state (Saxony), 90% of patients in intensive care beds are unvaccinated. Just under 60% of the population is fully vaccinated here (lowest rate in Germany). That means that the unvaccinated are in fact "overrepresented" in intensive care by a factor of about 22.

bhaak 5y ago
I've seen that number as well but Saxony also has the lowest vaccination rate of all the Bundesländer in Germany, so you would expect there to be a much worse ratio of unvaccinated to vaccinated in the ICU as the relationship is not linear (which throws off a lot of people). You'd think that 50% vaccination rate accounts for something but it only halves the speed of the spreading of the virus which doesn't help that much for an exponential rate (I hope my math checks out :-).