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It's amazing to see people still buying into the idea that the vaccine or lock-downs will stop Covid from spreading. It's an endemic coronovirus, it will be aro

by PKop 5y ago

It's amazing to see people still buying into the idea that the vaccine or lock-downs will stop Covid from spreading. It's an endemic coronovirus, it will be around forever. People that want the vaccine (that doesn't prevent covid infection) can get it. Why destroy civilization to achieve less than nothing? If it supposedly lessens effects if you get infected, why is there such controversy of worrying about those that don't want it? The people filling the hospitals, which has consistently been overstated in magnitude, are obese/overweight and with other co-morbidities. For vast majority of Covid cases the symptoms are nothing to worry about. The risk of dying from under 50 is like 0.1% or better if not overweight. This is an extreme modern aversion to any risk that would desire society grind itself to a halt forever and fight pointless mandate battles towards inevitable political chaos instead of just moving on with life.

tfehring 5y ago
> For vast majority of Covid cases the symptoms are nothing to worry about. The risk of dying from under 50 is like 0.1% or better if not overweight. I'm not sure this claim is consistent with the available evidence. Long term cognitive side effects (e.g. "brain fog" and memory loss) and respiratory problems each seem to occur in ~15% of symptomatic COVID cases among working-age, not-particularly-unhealthy people. "Long term" here means 7-9 months after infection. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.18.21253633v2 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.18.21253633v...
- PKop 5y ago
  > ~15% of symptomatic COVID cases Okay? That's not inconsistent with what I said, and moreover this is an absurdly vague and nebulous set of supposed symptoms. It is just simply not that credible that this is a significant real world issue to any large degree worthy of the costs of (ineffectively) trying to mitigate them. But also, everyone is going to get Covid more or less. It is not going away. It is an endemic coronavirus. Even if what you're saying was true, so what? Where does that leave us? It leaves us with those occurrences still happening, AND a perpetually degraded economic, political and social life due to ineffective mandates, shut downs, restrictions and mask drama. None of this stops the spread of Covid!
CorrectHorseBat 5y ago
>The people filling the hospitals, which has consistently been overstated in magnitude, are obese/overweight and with other co-morbidities. Good thing that only 15-30% of the Western world is obese. I don't follow the situation everywhere but here in Belgium fact is that people have been refused access to the ICU because there was no place because of COVID-19. And that's with postponing non-urgent care (which is happening, again) and all the measures taken. What you call moving on with life means refusing people access to hospitals.
- PKop 5y ago
  U.S.A. is 40% obese. Hospitals at capacity has been wildly overstated and additionally none of these measures stop the spread of Covid. The cost is not worth the negligible benefit.
  - CorrectHorseBat 5y ago
    What makes you think they are overstated? Do hospitals refuse people and postpone treatment for fun? Every time after measures are taken the spread of COVID slows down, every time they are loosened it increases again.
    - PKop 5y ago
      >Every time after measures are taken the spread of COVID slows down, every time they are loosened it increases again. We should probably keep doing this merry go round yes? Expecting different results. This is like arguing we should never pull out of Afghanistan because chaos would ensue. Just lock-down forever yes? Stopping the spread of a coronavirus is impossible, how do you not understand this?
      - CorrectHorseBat 5y ago
        Where did I say stopping the spread? It's not going to go on forever, we have vaccines, every time more people aquire natural immunity, we get better treatment, etc. But we will do this until we don't have to worry about our hospitals anymore. How do you not understand this?
bellyfullofbac 5y ago
0.1% is low? JFK airport has about 500 takeoffs a day. 0.1% chance of a crash means on average a jumbo plane full of passengers (400 people?) crashes every 2 days. How would you feel about air travel if these were the risks?
- ed_balls 5y ago
  Is this number really true? I remember a study from Italy (on Dr. John Campbell's channel) that there were 0 death from Covid* in people under 40 that were healthy. *Covid was the cause of death, not sepsis and btw he tested positive for Covid.
- PKop 5y ago
  I would feel great because I have a low body fat, I workout, lift weights, eat healthy and get sun and vitamin D in high amounts. 0.1 was for everyone...without co-morbidities it's even lower and more of a non-issue. People that want to take the vax should do it. Why do they care what young and healthy people do? Again though, coronvirus's don't go away it will be around forever and likely everyone gets it eventually. So what are we even talking about accomplishing here?
  - bellyfullofbac 5y ago
    Yeah and those things make you safe, huh.. are you sure about that? Maybe you should read this (and feel free to conclude it's lying media): https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/07/30/fact-check-low-body-fat-healthy-lifestyle-do-not-prevent-covid-19/5516078002/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/07/30/fact... A strong immune system might even be better for the virus: https://magazine.ucsf.edu/your-immune-system-could-turn-covid-19-deadly https://magazine.ucsf.edu/your-immune-system-could-turn-covi... Sure it'll probably be around forever. But a higher vaccination rate will decrease the rate of hospital overflow. Currently in the UK no one else can get sick or end up in the ICU, and ambulances queue for hours. Suddenly we've gone to third world level of healthcare accessibility. Maybe the answer is expand the hospital network, but no one else is doing this either. Good luck with your health... you'll need it, since you said everyone will get the virus.
latchkey 5y ago
What evidence do you have that civilization is being 'destroyed'? Seems "extreme" no? Nobody is saying "stop" the spread, it is obvious it isn't going to just stop. "slow" it is a more admirable goal.

by PKop 5y ago

tfehring 5y ago

> For vast majority of Covid cases the symptoms are nothing to worry about. The risk of dying from under 50 is like 0.1% or better if not overweight. I'm not sure this claim is consistent with the available evidence. Long term cognitive side effects (e.g. "brain fog" and memory loss) and respiratory problems each seem to occur in ~15% of symptomatic COVID cases among working-age, not-particularly-unhealthy people. "Long term" here means 7-9 months after infection. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.18.21253633v2 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.18.21253633v...

PKop 5y ago
> ~15% of symptomatic COVID cases Okay? That's not inconsistent with what I said, and moreover this is an absurdly vague and nebulous set of supposed symptoms. It is just simply not that credible that this is a significant real world issue to any large degree worthy of the costs of (ineffectively) trying to mitigate them. But also, everyone is going to get Covid more or less. It is not going away. It is an endemic coronavirus. Even if what you're saying was true, so what? Where does that leave us? It leaves us with those occurrences still happening, AND a perpetually degraded economic, political and social life due to ineffective mandates, shut downs, restrictions and mask drama. None of this stops the spread of Covid!

CorrectHorseBat 5y ago

>The people filling the hospitals, which has consistently been overstated in magnitude, are obese/overweight and with other co-morbidities. Good thing that only 15-30% of the Western world is obese. I don't follow the situation everywhere but here in Belgium fact is that people have been refused access to the ICU because there was no place because of COVID-19. And that's with postponing non-urgent care (which is happening, again) and all the measures taken. What you call moving on with life means refusing people access to hospitals.

PKop 5y ago
U.S.A. is 40% obese. Hospitals at capacity has been wildly overstated and additionally none of these measures stop the spread of Covid. The cost is not worth the negligible benefit.
- CorrectHorseBat 5y ago
  What makes you think they are overstated? Do hospitals refuse people and postpone treatment for fun? Every time after measures are taken the spread of COVID slows down, every time they are loosened it increases again.
  - PKop 5y ago
    >Every time after measures are taken the spread of COVID slows down, every time they are loosened it increases again. We should probably keep doing this merry go round yes? Expecting different results. This is like arguing we should never pull out of Afghanistan because chaos would ensue. Just lock-down forever yes? Stopping the spread of a coronavirus is impossible, how do you not understand this?
    - CorrectHorseBat 5y ago
      Where did I say stopping the spread? It's not going to go on forever, we have vaccines, every time more people aquire natural immunity, we get better treatment, etc. But we will do this until we don't have to worry about our hospitals anymore. How do you not understand this?

bellyfullofbac 5y ago

0.1% is low? JFK airport has about 500 takeoffs a day. 0.1% chance of a crash means on average a jumbo plane full of passengers (400 people?) crashes every 2 days. How would you feel about air travel if these were the risks?

ed_balls 5y ago
Is this number really true? I remember a study from Italy (on Dr. John Campbell's channel) that there were 0 death from Covid* in people under 40 that were healthy. *Covid was the cause of death, not sepsis and btw he tested positive for Covid.
PKop 5y ago
I would feel great because I have a low body fat, I workout, lift weights, eat healthy and get sun and vitamin D in high amounts. 0.1 was for everyone...without co-morbidities it's even lower and more of a non-issue. People that want to take the vax should do it. Why do they care what young and healthy people do? Again though, coronvirus's don't go away it will be around forever and likely everyone gets it eventually. So what are we even talking about accomplishing here?
- bellyfullofbac 5y ago
  Yeah and those things make you safe, huh.. are you sure about that? Maybe you should read this (and feel free to conclude it's lying media): https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/07/30/fact-check-low-body-fat-healthy-lifestyle-do-not-prevent-covid-19/5516078002/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/07/30/fact... A strong immune system might even be better for the virus: https://magazine.ucsf.edu/your-immune-system-could-turn-covid-19-deadly https://magazine.ucsf.edu/your-immune-system-could-turn-covi... Sure it'll probably be around forever. But a higher vaccination rate will decrease the rate of hospital overflow. Currently in the UK no one else can get sick or end up in the ICU, and ambulances queue for hours. Suddenly we've gone to third world level of healthcare accessibility. Maybe the answer is expand the hospital network, but no one else is doing this either. Good luck with your health... you'll need it, since you said everyone will get the virus.

latchkey 5y ago

What evidence do you have that civilization is being 'destroyed'? Seems "extreme" no? Nobody is saying "stop" the spread, it is obvious it isn't going to just stop. "slow" it is a more admirable goal.