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You make it sounds like they’re conserving their nice things, by not letting other people have them. Gate keeping progress. Help me understand how /you’re/ on
by asguy 5y ago
You make it sounds like they’re conserving their nice things, by not letting other people have them. Gate keeping progress.
Help me understand how /you’re/ on the side of progressivism, here.
- teakettle42 5y agoYou cannot always have your cake and eat it too. If you pave over open spaces, you no longer have open spaces. Is paving over nature what you consider to be progress?
- monocasa 5y agoI don't really consider hay farms to be 'nature', any more than houseplants are.
- teakettle42 5y agoHay meadows aren't a more natural environment than paving them over, building a large high-density apartment block, and placing houseplants in those apartments? Do they not host more ecological diversity? Are they not more environmentally productive? Do hay farms introduce parking lots, traffic, roads, hundreds of housing units, and on average, ~1.5 cars for every unit?
- monocasa 5y agoIf Boulder actually cared about all of that, they'd allow density where the pavement already exists. This is all pearl clutching to keep out the poors with a fence that doesn't make you sad when you look at the fence.
- teakettle42 5y agoLow-density makes the place nicer to live. That’s why people want to live in Boulder in the first place, as opposed to Longmont, Broomfield, or Denver — all of which they’re free to choose, instead of spending more to live Boulder. Why should the very traits that make Boulder desirable be destroyed to accommodate everyone that desires to live there?
- monocasa 5y agoIt's not the "low density" that makes someone choose Boulder over Longmont or Broomfield. Longmont and Broomfield already are less dense than Boulder. Boulderites who cry about 'keeping the low density' are just using that as a thin veneer to mask their classism. That very classism has all but ruined what made Boulder special in the first place, killing off the arts scene.
- NikolaeVarius 5y agoHow the hell is Longmont or Broomfield Dense? Its a damn suburb where farms exist literally after crossing a single 4 lane road. Its a 20 minute bike ride to get to the "downtown area" from a majority of the area.
- oh_sigh 5y agoPerhaps the fence is part of the reason it is so expensive in the first place? Am I supposed to feel bad for poor people who cannot live in Boulder, so they have to live 20 minutes away?
- monocasa 5y agoThis is the exact classism that has pretty much killed Boulder. I lived there for 12 years, and every time I go back it does a better job of convincing me I made the right choice.
- oh_sigh 5y agoKilled the Boulder you wanted, which was not the Boulder that the people who actually live there want. If Boulder was actually dead, home buyers would not need to pay $1M to get a 1970s ranch.
- monocasa 5y agoThere's a lot of people who pay more for something than it's worth. Good luck to your property values.
- troyvit 5y agoThat's true, but it's also a different problem with Boulder. Right now you can't build out, and you can't build up, so it's getting more and more expensive to live there. But honestly as a dude who was born 20 miles away I consider it their problem not mine. I get to enjoy their open spaces and still eat at their expensive restaurants but I don't have to live in their ridiculously priced neighborhoods. Live and let live.
- SuoDuanDao 5y agoSounds to me like they're just making a cogent argument for conservatism.